Best statement yet about Palin:

What's galling is this: When the subject is a pregnancy to an unwed, minority teenage mother growing up in some (presumably Democratic) urban area, that pregnancy becomes fodder for lectures from conservatives about bad parenting, the perils of welfare spending and so on. But when the subject is a pregnancy to an unwed, white teenager from some small town in a Republican state, that pregnancy is...a celebration of the wonders of God's magnificence--and choosing life!

-Thomas Schaller

http://www.salon.com/politics/war_room/

It's sickening.

Thanks. :dem:

It makes me want to scream.

How's retirement going?

:hi:

but I do miss the kids. This is such an exciting, historic election! I will miss sharing it with students. How about you? Have you all started back to school?

and a new teacher quit after one day and I have to take her caseload in addition to mine. Sucks big time.

What a way to start off the new year. I don't know how special ed teachers keep up with all the paperwork. It was the increased paperwork and the whole NCLB curriculum/testing that did me in-definitely hastened my retirement.

This kinda tap-dances around race, though, in favor of political leanings. The fact is, it's only a miracle if the baby's going to be white. :(

I really feel for the girl, having her story plastered over the entire country. Let's remember that she is 16 and no doubt did not have a say in her mother's having accepted McCain's offer.

But mainly because her mother is a frootloop.

a 'Half Baked Alaskan'. :P

She is 44. Her oldest child is 19. 44-19=25
Her Miss Alaska adventure was in 1984. She was 20. Having a child would have disqualified her immediately. Nude photos might slip by the Miss America folks(this was the year of Vanessa Williams), but I don't think a child would.

Don't confuse the Palins with Cindy McCain's family. It was Cindy who imitated her mother so well.

I shouldn't have tried to do the math.

assumption.

It's a well-established fact that if your parents didn't have any children, you won't either.

"It's a well established fact that if your parents didn't procreate, you won't either".

People do legally adopt, you know.

Couldn't agree more, and it's a shame she has to go through this on the national stage. I'd rather the pregnant daughter remained out of the spotlight, but when her mother is such a hard-line family-values conservative who promotes abstinence-only sex ed, it unfortunately cannot be ignored.

I only hope both sides and keep the debate away from the girl herself and focused on her mother.


~Shiver

Given that a healthy, ahem, appetite seems to be genetically primed in the Palan family, then what offer of McCain's DID she accept and how exactly is that connected to her being offered the VP slot?

So true, so true.

for viciously attacking Palin's oh-so-sweet-and-innocent daughter.

I remember attacks on Chelsea Clinton, the Gore girls and Amy Carter, who were above reproach on these matters, attacked and villified for the way they looked and nobody in the media seemed to feel it necessary to come to their rescue.

They certainly are the very definition of it.

but they seem to be blithely unaware of the concept.

Or maybe she is but isn't as far along as they claim.

I have a feeling that this was just made up to deflect the attention to the mysterious circumstances around Sarah's "pregnancy." Their thinking is probably something like this: "How could I be covering up for my daughter's earlier pregnancy when she's pregnant now? Never mind that her five-month case of 'mono' coincided with my 'pregnancy' which nobody else seemed to notice, not even the flight crew on the eight-hour flight I took back to Alaska after 'my water broke' despite airlines having strict policies about not flying such a person, and I was back at my desk all bright-eyed and bushy-tailed three days after giving birth."

Assuming Palin lasts the week, which is highly doubtful, I expect them to shuffle the "pregnant" daughter out of sight until, "sadly, something goes terribly wrong" and, magically, there is no baby!

although I wouldn't put is past the repugs I tend to lean toward her actually being pregnant, everything else you say I agree with totally, especially the deflection it gives her against the last child being hers and not her mothers. only in the repug fantasy world would a woman flying on a plane after her water broke fly -no pun intended. Boss "the plane the plane" pun intended

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Good find!

But I still think her objectionable policy opinions are outweighed by her actual disqualifications to be VP.

But honestly, I think there is so much dirt on her already her candidacy will be short lived. And I really want her to last until the debate - with Biden. :)

My biggest fear right now is that she will withdraw from the ticket before she does up against Biden. :D

for the right wingers I debate online. They are salivating over Palin and all her 'experience'. I am thinking a video of Biden chairing the foreign relations committee versus a video of Sarah chairing a city council meeting should get them all going.

I asked them this question earlier today and they have yet to answer:

I'm asking you to point to a specific single or multiple instances in her short political career that demonstrate she has the mettle and knowledge to handle tricky international affairs.

All those "sins" that make others in society disgusting, just make them "human." They're FORGIVEN.

LOL

One goddamn "e." How hard is that?!

:)

I've seen it configured such that there was a 'hippo' in the field...

:)

One of the animals featured in the breakfast cereal "Crispy Critters" :P

someone who pretends to be 'green conscience' but their actions say differently



However Palin doesn't even remotely try to pretend!

She has been an avid moose-hunter since childhood and is still a strong believer in gun ownership.
A considerable amount of her family's income comes from the gas company BP as her husband is an oil production operator for BP..
Palin said that she would sue the Interior Department over its decision to list the polar bear as a threatened species. Her litigation came from fear because Alaska produces fossil fuels, although the wording of the Interior Department decision went to great lengths to ward off any new restrictions on oil and gas drilling.
Palin supports the aerial hunting of wolves and bears
Palin spent $400,000 of state money to fund a media campaign to try and convince Alaskans to support aerial shooting
Sarah Palin opposed a statewide ballot initiative to prohibit or restrict new mining operations that could affect salmon in the state's streams and rivers
She pushed to build a natural-gas pipeline from Alaska's North Slope
She is pushing to open Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to drilling
She has created a committee to forge Alaska's climate-change strategy, and has made Alaska an observer of the Western Climate Initiative
She opposes a windfall profits tax on oil companies
She has a chair on the Interstate Oil and Gas Compact Commission

more often than not, so I don't think we can be throwing too many stones from our glass house. (Maybe they mean it is a state ruled by hypocrites.)

Some posters on DU certainly use that misspelling. It's the "loosers" who misspell "there" words.

:rofl: The "Do As I Say, It's OK When I Do It" Party.

:rofl:

well said

It's OK when we do it. God loves us. We're FORGIVEN.

That is how the entire fundie world thinks. Everything they do is fine. If it came out that she had 5 abortions as a young woman, they'd be fine with it. All she would need to do is confess her sins that came before she found talking in tongues.

that gets to me. That and the possessive plural's.

Still, it's the thought that counts...

They are never accountable because they are "saved."

Throw her into the pond!!!!!

This is really the part that's gonna gall the Republican purists the most.

K&R x 100

On our local blog where the repukes are repulsive.

LOL

Karma's a bitch you dipshits.

They wished rain on Obama, they got rain.

They tried to exploint the hurricane, it wasn't as bad as predicted.

Haha - sucks being a Republican sometimes - lol.

I was just thinking today:

How appropriate that tragedy should strike and be brewing during the GOP convention. It SHOULD be a somber affair. After all, it's about death and war, fear and prejudice.

I hear part of it is officially to be a sermon for the victims of the storm. Separation of church and state anyone? Let's exploit religion and the storm politically at the same time!!!!

Hey, aren't these storms just punishment for our wicked ways anyway? McCain's pastor Hagee said so!

:toast:

In fundie land,

White pregnant teenager = blessed by Jesus
Black pregnant teenager = vile moral-less parasite

Republican "sinner" = 'Hate the sin, love the sinner.'
Democratic "sinner" = 'Hate the sin, crucify the sinner.'

My favorite one had to do with see what happens when you let straights do someone's hair.

Now let's spread the word to the mainstream.

Behind their hands they're wondering about her parenting skills and who was watching Bristol and what-all was going on up there in Alaska. I'm sure of it.

This, the secession group thing, the corruption, and the fact that others that the religious conservatives liked better getting passed over is going to blow up in McSame's face.

How many times have we heard about how "liberal permissiveness" was ruining America's kids? Or how many times have we heard them prattle on about Bill Clinton's poor example for America's youth?

Lakoff, I'm sure you know, says that people carry two models of the family around in their heads: the "Strict Father" model that predominates in conservatism, and the "Nurturant Parent" model that typifies progressive and liberal attitudes. People have both models in their heads, and what distinguishes liberals from conservatives is which model they apply to which circumstances. When one of the two models is activated, it inhibits the expression of the other model. So conservatives apply the "Strict Father" model when chastising others, but may revert to the Nurturant Parent model when dealing with their own. (Although I bet the "SP" model comes out when they're dealing with that kid in private). Republican empathy doesn't extend very far beyond their own skin.

:P

then Palin would certainly laud them as an example of how well her views on abstinence only works so well combined with her effective parenting. I am not sure why Palin should be exempt from criticism for the opposite result.

It is sooo true. k&r

this is a perfectly appropriate way to bring this subject up.

:thumbsup:

are loyal to is their Hypocricy Flag. It must suck to be so arrogantly hypocrical that life just wants to show you who's the boss.

These people have no interest in the teachings of Christ..it's only about Greed Oil and Power to them.

of sexually transmitted diseases. The high profile Palin family is legitimizing having unprotected sex by stating how "happy" they are with Bristol's decision. Not one word about protecting the health of teenagers through responsible sexual activity. What kind of leadership is this?

'bout sums it up.

If she'd waited 'til her mom was engaged in doing whatever VPs do, she'd have had federal chaperones to watch over her! :nopity:

Unless of course she behaves like the Bush twins.

and mocked.

Just more racism. All white babies are holy. All minority babies are Satan's spawn.

Ronald Reagan, in his 1983 "Evil Empire" speech to the National Association of Evangelicals, suggested the correct word for unwed pregnant young women was "promiscuous". :crazy:

and all the more sad for that. Hypocrisy plays a role here also, for it is not true in every
case that the "parenting" of the unwed minority teenager is at fault. Large numbers of inner-city moms
do teach their daughters and warn them, but teens just don't listen.

While some urban mothers do fall down on the job, it is usually the teenage invulnerability syndrome (hormonally based
risk-taking), poor self-esteem and the problem of looking for love
in all of the very wrong places that is usually at fault.

I sincerely hope that this whole miserable story will help to end the mudslinging from every side that
accompanies the issue of teen pregnancy.

There was a minority kid in Atlanta that was brought up on statutory rape charges for getting his girlfriend pregnant, but when its a white girl (HELLO) Jamie lynn spears, then is a blessing and it shows women who stand strong. Double standards

Eroding the pretty picture being painted by the GOP

:thumbsup:

but these ReTHUGS JUSTIFY EVERYTHING WHEN THEY DO IT.

whenever I hear these talking heads this is the point that is never brought up I have been screaming at the tv for days..

Always applied when a Republican is guilty of the same "sins" they throw stones at for anyone else.

Simply stupefying.

this is awesome - I just sent it to my email list.

MORE AT www.cafepress.com/warisprofitable

As someone that has lived for the past 9 years completely surrounded by red states,
I've seen what really agitates these repukes, and I can tell you with 100% certainty
that the baby issue in NOT going to do it. I honestly don't think that there is a
single girl between the ages of 14-19 that doesn't have at least one baby...and the
vast majority of them are mixed-race babies (to piss off their racist parents probably).

However, the AIP issue will agitate the crap out of them. The thought of having someone
in the white house that wanted to succeed from the US, would be completely unthinkable!
They will label her as a traitor and a communist, and never vote for her even if she is
supposedly a die-hard Christian.
...and I already know that they are not crazy about McCain.

So, the bigger we can make the AIP news the better!!


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what makes this even more ridiculous, is the fact that she and the right wing profess to be much better than this, yet they are worse, because they are in denial...

f'ng hypocrites :nuke:

I agree with Obama... His mother had him at age 18, not sure how old she was when he was conceived...

The point being that it happens with lots of different families, and you're not altogether wrong about how its perceived in the race is different...

........................but in this case, given that its Obama's choice... we're to back off the 17 year old..

With one special needs child already in the home, another baby on the way, a daughter that obviously needed something more than she got from her family, the publicity has been excruciating, I'm sure, and now I hear that the father to be is to appear with the family... just too too much pressure on very very young kids who are being forced through lack of SOMETHING, to parent too early, their lives as kids are over...and the media scrutiny never ending... just when any 17 year old needs privacy and in particular any pregnant 17 year old needs privacy.

So the ultimate question on judgement and family values is: 'WOULD YOU DO THIS TO YOUR DAUGHTER FOR THE VICE PRECIDENCY?'

give me a break.

i feel bad the poor young woman hasta be a part of anything ... but her mother KNEW the risk of it when she took the VP spot. im sorry.

THIS IS an issue because it does show her hypocrisy, and the republican hypocrisy in general... as the OP said... if this was a black 16-17 year old in a large city ... theyd talk about immoral she was and how she wouldnt make a fit parent...

this poor girl in this situation is lucky to have a well off family with the money to support her... others are not so lucky, and they get no praise WHAT SO EVER... only mocking/told they are sinners/ and shunned.

so, screw you.

this has nothing to do with the daughter, it has everything to do with the rights positions ON THE ISSUES her daughter is going through. NOT the daughter herself.

with such a low post count, you have no room to act like ur an obama surrogate.

:hi:

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