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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 12:30 AM
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Florida's Lake Okeechobee levee grows weaker.
Hat tip to Ybor City Stogie for the picture and the link to the article.


Drive down US-441, and you'll run right into it. A grass-covered wall that stretches as far as you can see in both directions. It's the levee that wraps around Lake Okeechobee -- that huge lake in the middle of Florida. Altogether, the levee is 143 miles long. And the protection it gives could give way in a massive hurricane...

Today they are sounding almost desperate over something that should have been repaired years ago.

Florida levee protecting 40,000 people grows weaker each day

Levee holds back one trillion gallons of water

The Hitchiti Indian phrase "oki chobi" literally means "big water". That pretty well describes Lake Okeechobee, the largest lake in the U.S. south of Lake Michigan. But if you've never been there, you probably don't realize that it's entirely surrounded by a 143-mile-long levee. And in a monster hurricane, if parts of the levee were to give way, the word "big" wouldn't be nearly enough to describe the disaster.

"If there's a section that fails, there's gonna be a significant amount of water that comes out of the lake and runs into whatever area that it happens to be effecting," Faulkner said. "We're lucky that in Okeechobee that we've got a fantastic section of dike that's really well-maintained." Army Corps of Engineers teams say the northern parts of the dike are in excellent shape.

Southern walls are weakening

But recent studies have shown that some southern sections of the wall are weakening. More than seven decades of reinforcement haven't been enough. Tropical Storm Fay added three feet of water to the lake faster than any time on record. The Army Corps of Engineers has begun a $300 million repair project to reinforce the southern reaches of the dike, but some researchers feel that regardless of those improvements, rain from a string of storms like Fay would be enough to rip open the barrier.

Even in her most peaceful moments, that's a reality Shawna Bray can never truly forget. "It is a worry. 'Cause I don't want Okeechobee to be like New Orleans, because that was -- that was terrible," she said.


They have been messing with the ecology, with the environment, with the ways of nature in draining Lake Okeechobee, then trying to refill it with polluted farm water when they got desperate again.

Water managers on Thursday agreed to let polluted storm water that washes off farms flow into Lake Okeechobee, with the hopes of boosting water levels needed to irrigate drought-strained crops.

A month after rejecting "back-pumping" polluted storm water that drains off farms into the lake, the South Florida Water Management District Governing Board decided not to stop "back flows" — which involve opening drainage gates to let gravity carry a smaller amount of the same water into the lake.

Back-pumping offered the promise of raising the lake water but threatened to bring with it fertilizers and other pollutants that wash off farms south of the lake, leading to algae blooms and fish kills.


It looked like this last year, but yet they drained it in 2004 after the hurricanes.


This boat launch on Torry Island in Belle Glade at the southern tip of Lake Okeechobee has been rendered useless by the low water level. The Lake is on the brink of its lowest levels ever.
(Scott Fisher, Sun-Sentinel)
May 30, 2007


Here is more about how they drained it in 2004 because there was too much water. They have not bothered to repair the levee.

Lake Okeechobee at record low from drought; billions of gallons of water drained after hurricanes.

Lake Okeechobee releases stir up regrets as drought lasts.

Nineteen months ago, saddled with drowning marshes, a weakened dike and a record-breaking hurricane season, the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers got to work on an urgent task: dumping billions of gallons of water from Lake Okeechobee. At the time, it didn't just seem reasonable; it seemed necessary.

Now South Florida water managers see that point in late October 2005 as a much different milestone: the start of a crippling drought.

..."Now that people cannot water their lawns more than once a week, farmers and other critics call last year's lake dumping a major blunder, and even some board members of the South Florida Water Management District have tried to distance themselves from the decision.


Now we had Fay going right across Lake Okeechobee as a Tropical Storm last week. Now we have Ike with South Florida in its path.

They have had all these years to repair when the weather was good, but they have allowed this levee to go into disrepair just like the rest of our infrastructure.

That is the end result when you cut taxes and services to the bone.
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 12:47 AM
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1. O-No really not good with a string of hurricanes
and/or tropical storms lining up in the Atlantic Ocean:hide:
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 01:25 AM
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2. Thanks MF, you're the best, truly the best. n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 01:31 AM
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3. That was nice of you.
I really hate what has happened to my state under Jeb Bush. He holds the people of this state in contempt, and Crist has not been able to break the Jeb stranglehold.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 06:12 AM
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4. "No problema. I'm The Decider. Smirk." - Commander AWOL
"My republicon cronies and me will do a heckuva job. As ususal. Smirk."

- Commander AWOL
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 06:28 AM
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5. Where will the water surge spill should the earth levee be bretched?
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RockaFowler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 07:49 AM
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8. It will go towards the coast
This is a really serious issue. There was a hurricane in 1928 that killed thousands of people in the Belle Glade to West Palm Beach area. As a matter of fact there is a cemetary down the street from my work that is filled with the poor blacks who drowned due to the overwhelming amount of water.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 06:36 AM
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6. The levee shouldn't even be there in the first place.
The Army Corp of Engineers has been an ecological disaster for the Everglades and blocking off the Lake with Levees to protect Sugar plantations was a bad mistake.

Frankly, all those levees and water management activities should be gotten rid of.
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seasat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 11:05 AM
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14. That's for certain
It's one of those manipulations like they've done to the Mississippi that has resulted in ecological disaster. I saw a study a few years ago about the level of phosphates in the sediments of Okeechobee. Decades of agricultural runoff has made it extremely nutrient rich. It could adversely affect the glades and coastal areas if it gets stirred up.
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 06:44 AM
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7. Republicans try to convince people (and they succeed mostly)
That they can provide the same level of services or better for less money(taxes). It's impossible. But down here, it's faith-based government, and 2+2 really does equal 3. If only you believe, it will come true.

We dodged another Republican bullet this week when the Florida Supreme Court threw three heinous (hyenas? hope I spelled that right) issues off of the November ballot. One of which would have cut property taxes even further.

Jeb Bush, Marco Rubio, and the rest of the corrupt repuke establishment have broken this state with corporate tax cuts and giveaways. There's no money left to do anything, and it's going to get worse.

You would think that the stage would be set for a ballot-box revolution at the state level, but the republican wannabe FDP is so corrupt and incompetent that they can't even recruit candidates to run against most of them. Any Dem with intelligence and scruples, avoids them like the plague.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 10:00 AM
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11. Ballot box revolution? Not likely from this state.
They love their Jebbie. :eyes:

They love his brother because he's a good Christian. :eyes:

And that Palin gal....she's purty..:eyes:

Am I disgusted? Yes, I am.

And I turned the TV on today briefly to MSNBC and CNN...mistake of my life. They are slobbering over that purty Palin woman.

The rest of the country will soon be just like Florida.
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paparush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:23 AM
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9. Trillions wasted on illegal war for profit. Meanwhile the infrastructure is literally crumbling.
We're turning into the old Soviet Union.
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:35 AM
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10. Jeb has been very quiet lately.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 10:39 AM
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12. He's gone undercover to get public tax money diverted to private religious schools.
But the Florida Supreme Court put a stop to it for now.

They stripped 3 amendments off the ballot that would have furthered Jeb's cause.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 02:13 PM
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18. oh..thank you for that good news...

My jaw is still hurting from hitting the floor after I read of the school tax money effort.

Thank you for the follow up info.

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 03:09 PM
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19. You are most welcome.
I think it was seafan who posted it earlier. I remember recommending it.

Very important ruling.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 11:02 AM
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13. Update: They are draining the lake again right now.
This pattern of draining and refilling can not go on forever.

http://news-press.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080905/NEWS01/80905014

"That water release that began today is only about a third as large as releases that followed busy hurricane seasons in 2004 and 2005. Large fish kills, noxious algae blooms and the widespread death of sea grasses and oyster beds followed close behind, from which the estuaries are only now beginning to recover.

At the time, the Martin County Health Department posted signs at boat ramps and other access points along the St. Lucie estuary warning people to avoid contact with the water, said Leon Abood, former president of Realtors Association of Martin County and chairman of the Rivers Coalition. "We can't afford that sort of negative impact on everybody's livelihood."

The draining of Lake Okeechobee that began today is the first significant water release since April 2006. The total amount of fresh water dumped in the next 11 days would be enough to fill about 63,800 Olympic-size swimming pools at a time when South Florida remains under water restrictions.

Two days ago, the corps said the release would slow the lake's rise enough so that the water level should remain below 17.25 feet above sea level - the mark at which the integrity of the Herbert Hoover Dike is considered at risk. Today, the water level measured at 14.75 feet."

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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 12:00 PM
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16. Idiots.
If they hadn't blocked up the natural drainage of the lake then surrounded it with levees there wouldn't be any problem.

They are killing the entire South Florida eco-system trying to manage something that didn't need managing before the Army Corp of Engineers got involved in the first place.

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ensho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 11:11 AM
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15. yrs. & yrs. ago, when driving N. past the levee I would speed


knowing all that water was above me.

a lot of people live under the levee and the lake. probably don't have the money to move.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 12:19 PM
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17. Instead of spending millions to rebuild the levees...
They should spend the money to buy up the farms, move the people out of there, and restore the natural wetlands the sugar companies drained in the first place.
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Pete2069 Donating Member (301 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:28 PM
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20. Bush created another
Project he can sell to private corporations or a foreign
country to have and hold.

Can you imagine what it will cost Americans to travel on the
roads and visit our public sites and history  once Bush and
Cheney has sold them off to private corporations and foreign
countries.
Saudi Arabia , Britain and other foreign countries must have a
large chunk of our national history , resources and control of
our security operations now....
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 10:19 PM
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21. Leasing Alligator Alley and the Skyway Bridge...next on the agenda.
http://journals.democraticunderground.com/madfloridian/1667

And the private companies will jack up the tolls till people can't afford to use them.
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