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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:05 AM
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David Gergen: Is U.S. becoming ungovernable?
I was watching him late last night. He was disturbed that with the Us vs Them mentality that's evolved it's possible that the U.S. may simply be ungovernable.

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grannie4peace Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:07 AM
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1. that happens--the pendulum swings
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enough Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:13 AM
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2. No. Those who have no interest in governance have been in power. (nt)
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TooBigaTent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:14 AM
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3. "Them" just need to go away and let "us" take care of the country. It is only ungovernable as long
as pukes are around to fuck things up.

I am not willing, after more than a decade of "them" being the ones who destroyed any unity this nation may have had, to hand over any influence to the enemy. Now that they are losing power, they want to "cooperate." Bullshit!

Let them be on the outside for awhile. Make that forever. This country would be so much better off if every repuke simply dropped dead. They contribute NOTHING!

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MindMatter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:23 AM
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7. They have no interest in domocracy and fair opportunity.
They are VERY interested in governance, because that is their means to extract trillions of dollars form the unrepresented masses.

Fascism in its purest form is what we have today. With all due respect to Gergen, the fascists are able to govern, and they do so by terrorizing the public and aggressively employing the principles of the "Shock Doctrine"

Really, that book should be required reading for every citizen. The game is really simple. Once you understand how the game works, you can never look at these people the same way again.
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tama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:15 AM
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4. Governing is an illusion
Riding the beast is more accurate description.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:16 AM
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5. of course it is.. We actually have too FEW legislators
Edited on Fri Sep-05-08 08:17 AM by SoCalDem
and everything has become us v them. We need MORE representation, to get factions working together. We have had the same number of house reps & senators for a LONG time, and our population has increased a lot..

We should have 15 SCOTUS :
min age 60
max age 75

fifteen years is plenty, without going through a re-confirmation process
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We should have one rep per 100K people, with boundaries drawn by computer, following logical boundaries
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Each state should have 3 senators

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There should be a national referendum on the really important things:

health care
religion in school
social security "lock box"
paper ballots
draft for national service

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Every 25 years, each "department" should have a complete "audit" of obsolete/overly-tweaked laws, and a simplified version debated in the legislature

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All departments should be able to undergo and PASS a financial audit each year
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kskiska Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:23 AM
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8. Or maybe switch to a parliamentary system.
This one isn't working.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:24 AM
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9. I agree on some of these points...
However I disagree with the minimum age for Supreme Court Justices. Why is it always assumed that only the much older individuals have good judgment and can make the "adult decisions" in our country?

Personally I worry more about the older Supreme Court jurists because many of them have been out of touch with regular society for awhile. They are less likely to use and therefore understand the internet and the technology laws they will often hear cases on. They are less likely to understand the ways in which much younger government officials have used that technology to commit acts of treason against it's own people and break the tenets of the Constitution.

Jurists in their 40s and 50s may have a better grasp of this and can bring a fresher perspective to the court.

I agree that the Supreme Court should have a 15 year term limit and that the maximum age should be 75 but there should be a minumum age of 35 rather than 60, just as the Presidency requires.

Rp
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:29 AM
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11. If a 15 yr limit were imposed, a younger age would work, but
younger judges might not have had a "tested" career's worth of history..

By the time a person is 60, child rearing has usually ended, they may have retired from their career, and their family obligations would allow them the time to devote to the court..
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moondust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:34 AM
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13. Good points. n/t
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MannyGoldstein Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:20 AM
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6. There Are Two Distinct Americas
The Blue States, for the most part, statistically look like First World countries. By contrast, red states are looking more like Second World countries each day. See my blog (http://www.blueworksbetter.com/) for details.

This does make it very tough to govern America as a single country.
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a la izquierda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:28 AM
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10. A friend of mine who is not really political said this:
"watching these people is like watching the beginnings of a Nazi rally." It truly affected her, and not in a good way. This is a woman who is Jewish, btw, and a student of 20th century Germany. She wondered how Obama was going to deal with these people when he wins.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-05-08 08:33 AM
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12. There is a great mistrust of government in most advanced nations nowadays
Why? People are richer, smarter and better informed. The more informed you are the more likely you are to pick a side. Once a side is picked you are not likely to switch sides (for various psychological reasons).

We as a nation have been through much worse times. We will survive.
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