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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 08:24 PM
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Not one Damn Dime for Georgia

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0809/S00087.htm


... peace keeping forces in South Ossetia, a breakaway province of Georgia near the Russian border. That region experienced a major war in 1991 and varying tensions since.

Russian personnel were in Georgia as part of a multi-national peace keeping regime created by the United Nations and endorsed by the European Union in 2006. Snip

Those who insist that Russia started the military phase of this conflict need only check in with the government of Georgia. On Aug. 8, 2008, at 12:35, a Georgia news agency reported that "A senior official from the Georgian Ministry of Defense said Georgia had 'decided to restore constitutional order in the entire region' of South Ossetia." The release went on to say that Georgia took the military action after the South Ossetia refused to accept a cease fire. Snip

(The president of Georgia) skipped over some important events (like his troops attacking South Ossetia) and lashed out at the United States and Europe with Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice next to him: "So who invited the trouble here? Who invited this arrogance here? Who invited these innocent deaths here? Who is – not only those people who perpetrate them are responsible, but also those people who failed to stop it." CNN, Aug. 15, 2008 (3:41) and U.S. Dept. of State, Aug. 15, 2008.

In a clear contradiction to his claimed knowledge of an imminent threat of invasion, the president of Georgia indicated that he had no idea that a Russian military action was about to take place: "When the thing started, I had to rush back, cut my holiday short when the tensions started to raise." (4:41). Snip

Giving Georgia a billion dollars may simply recycle those funds to U.S. firms that are doing business there. In addition, this financial reward will reinforce the tactically challenged president of Georgia for his grandiosity and lack of restraint.

It may even create the opportunity for yet another Russian smack down followed by outraged reaction from those whose tears are more likely from joy at the ever expanding opportunity to promote the cycle of war and rebuilding around the world paid for by the hard work and taxes of the citizens of the United States.


Link: http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0809/S00087.htm
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 08:32 PM
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1. Can you believe this shit?
Edited on Sat Sep-06-08 09:13 PM by BeFree
I guess since attacking Iran has pretty much been shelved, leaving Cheney with decreasing ops to do bad things, he feels he has to go poke the sleeping Russian bear.

And he does it with our money. Gawd, why didn't we ever impeach that SOB? And now we've got Saracudda on stage and with the right vote machine computer *glitches* in just the right places, she's gonna make Cheney proud. If he lives that long.


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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 08:41 PM
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9. I guess they didn't get the message clearly enough from Gates
"But you just said no attacking Iran. You didn't say we had to not attack Russia, did you?"

So the bringers of "democracy," the Rose revolution, plays along with World War III.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 08:50 PM
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16. Yep
And this billion is just the down payment.

Poor Gates, he didn't know what he was getting in to did he?

Just like poor Johnny, him putting Saracudda just a whisker away from real power is gonna get him shaved.

Well, maybe there are some real patriots left down in the bowels of the government and they'll give Cheney, et al, a bad case of heartburn. One can hope.
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 08:33 PM
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2. "Giving Georgia a billion dollars may simply recycle those funds to U.S. firms that are doing
Edited on Sat Sep-06-08 08:34 PM by geckosfeet
business there".

Now why do you think "shoot'em in the face Dick" spent last week over there? He was directing where the cash should flow.

This is quite a little money laundering scam that these crooks have going.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 08:37 PM
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4. yep, he went to dole out the cash
what a guy he is, like father xmas and the easter bunny all rolled up into one charming person.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 08:46 PM
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13. And here comes Ike.
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lonestarnot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 08:50 PM
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15. And did anyone think he went over there to smoke a peace pipe?
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:19 PM
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18. In his case,
I don't want any of what he's smoking:evilgrin:
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 02:16 PM
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37. Smart bet that most of the money
will never leave the US. It'll just move straight from the Treasury into the pockets of the US defense contractors. Only the bombs will go to Georgia.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 07:35 PM
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40. That's exactly what occured to me as I wrote this
It's there to cover the bad investment they companies made. After all, this leader Bush-Cheney put
in isn't exactly consistent. He's a democracy guy and then, presto, it's a one party state and
the ballots are missing from the last election (according to the Guardian). So it could be the
Georgia - 2002 or Ohio 2004;)
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malaise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:25 PM
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20. This is quite a little money laundering scam that these crooks have going.
It's called looting the treasuries of every country on the planet. Establish puppet regimes and milk them. Divide and rule - foment unrest and then sell them weapons. It's a great racket.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 08:35 PM
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3. Can we divert the funds to...
Louisiana? Iowa? National infrastructure?

The great giveaway of American tax dollars continues practically unopposed.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 08:38 PM
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5. It could be a supplemental
Give a billion and then make sure it gets spent. :)
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 08:40 PM
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8. Can Cheney spend a billion?
I hear he's kind of tight.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 08:42 PM
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10. We'll have to see the list
But I hear that they gave it to Sarah Palin;)
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 08:45 PM
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11. Well, she did suffer a loss on her sale of a jet...
:spank:
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 08:39 PM
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7. Exactly.
It's not like we don't have tons of needs in THIS country.
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OwnedByFerrets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 08:39 PM
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6. K and R
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:18 PM
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17. Thanks!!! Nice bot!
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 08:46 PM
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12. How much is georgie sending Haiti?
I've heard they have a few problems also

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 08:47 PM
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14. We only generous lately with countries others attack
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Me. Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:23 PM
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19. You Had To Guess If That Crew Was Involved
It wasn't nearly quite as simple as the "Big Bad Russia Has Attacked Georgia" meme they were pushing.

Of course, to most people in this country they think it's the place where peaches come from.
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inna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:26 PM
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21. K&R!!

that tie-chewing vid is pretty funny. what a loser.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 09:45 PM
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22. K&R. Dog fighting is illegal,
but it's okay to bait little countries into wars they can't win?

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-06-08 10:33 PM
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23. Right, and they gave them the gift of "democracy"

He figures that Russia has been preparing to attack him since the April NATO meeting.

So what does he do - he goes on vacation! Then complains that he has to return to his office.

What kind of president takes a vacation when his nation is in danger?
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 02:01 AM
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24. I'm sure he carefully read whatever Georgian is for "PDB".
I'm sure he had trusted advisers, and administrators, to carry out the orders he was advised to give.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 02:32 AM
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25. George and snarling Dick want to spend it over there so they...
Edited on Sun Sep-07-08 02:41 AM by Hubert Flottz
Don't have to spend it over here.

Can you believe that the GOP had their convention in the shadow of the bridge that fell a year ago and the MSM never said a word about that bridge all week?

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 02:39 AM
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27. You've got a viral phrase there - 'spend it over there ...
They didn't mention the bridge. They' didn't devote any air time to Ron Paul, even though that's a huge event and part of the story. What DO we do with them???
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 02:43 AM
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28. "What DO we do with them?"
Edited on Sun Sep-07-08 02:44 AM by Hubert Flottz
IMPEACH is what sane people in congress would have done. It's the only way to tie their hands....but Nancy knew best.

Edit...Sanity and good sense are Off The Table...
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 02:35 AM
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26. There is no end to BushCo's ability to screw things up - even oil supply
Edited on Sun Sep-07-08 02:36 AM by autorank
So the US spends $5.0 billion with Georgia as a key link in a pipeline for oil. Then the guy BushCo puts in charge in Georgia goes off and attacks Russian personnel, giving them an excuse fight back. Now the energy analysts are saying the US-European backed pipeline is a loser. All because they couldn't control their hand picked president.

Georgian Conflict Obliges Export Route Reality Check
21 Aug 2008 12:32 PM

Excerpt from Caspian Investor by Dr. Kent Moors, Contributing Editor

"Within days of military action commencing, all oil pipelines and seaport terminal export facilities closed in Georgia. The separatist regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia remain resolved to leave Georgia guaranteeing ongoing domestic unrest. That means threats of pipeline and port closures will continue, substantially increasing the risk equation in moving hydrocarbons out of the Caspian basin. The vulnerability of the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan (BTC), Baku-Supsa and Baku-Tbilisi-Erzurum pipelines, as well as the ports of Batumi, Poti and Kulevi, will certainly prompt a serious reappraisal of export security. Snip

"BTC had been the one major accomplishment of Washington and Brussels, a primary export venue from the rapidly developing Caspian basin beyond the touch of Moscow. Apparently, that is not the case any longer. The argument that Moscow’s intent all along was to put pressure on the BTC through this military exercise has nothing substantive behind it. In the end, however, that makes little difference. The military rationale for the incursion is not the issue here. Events have accomplished Moscow’s "energy full court press," as one observer put it to us."

http://www.wtexecutive.com/cms/content.jsp?id=com.tms.cms.article.Article_insider_georgiaoil&gclid=CLql5tKSyZUCFQKPgwodNmrRiw
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 10:35 AM
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30. The Russians have been playing this game for Centuries.
It's a hell of a lot longer than Bush Gang and their lines of supply are a lot shorter.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:10 PM
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33. Chess, their way
Edited on Sun Sep-07-08 12:11 PM by autorank
The Russians are complex, to say the least. Despite the prejudice about Russian backwardness , chess, poetry and ballet are all very popular.

In this case it's chess. They took this foolish act and created a response that (a) makes it very difficult for NATO to accept Georgia (too much risk) and (b) may have ruined the viability of the EU-US pipeline - all on account of the rash actions of a volatile and impetuous leader we trained and then helped install. If Saakashvili's restoration of "constitutional order" (read aggressive act) was part of some plan, then the neocon ensemble (Bush, Brown, Merkel, etc.) are operating at such a low level that there's no telling what will happen.

The "undisputed" world chess champion:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Kramnik

"In October 2006, Vladimir Kramnik, the Classical World Champion, defeated
reigning FIDE World Champion Veselin Topalov in a unification match, the
FIDE World Chess Championship 2006. As a result Kramnik became the first
undisputed World Champion, holding both the FIDE and Classical titles, since
Kasparov split from FIDE in 1993."


Winning style - Vladamir Kramnik
(Memo to Saakashvili - think first, then act)
WikiCommons

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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 02:05 PM
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36. And plan all potential moves in advance.
If you don't, the other player will and lead you into checkmate.

Junior is lucky if he can see two moves ahead.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 09:39 AM
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29. Give the Georgians smart bomb technology.
The Russians have said they would respond with Tactical Nuclear Weapons if attacked with smart weapons.

Aw, I bet they already have. Now all we need is a dead pool to bet on how long it will be until the Northern Hemisphere gets vaporized.

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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 11:50 AM
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31. I'm betting on an encounter of a third kind.

Some time between now and the election.

Short of that, I'd bet that it has to happen before the Inauguration or it won't if Obama gets
elected. He and Putin would be on an equal footing in the IQ department and probably get along.
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formercia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:04 PM
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32. That's good because I don't think we could outspend them
in a new arms race. We would end up like the Nazis, making ersatz gas from coal and having tanks run out of fuel on the battlefield.
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Pavulon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:15 PM
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34. Russian GDP divides in to US GDP
and leaves 6 and change. They are broke, they have a petro economy and are not going to nuke jack shit.

They sold advanced gdp jamming technology to Iraq, which we blew up, this is the game we played with them for 50 years.

I will repeat no one is popping nukes over georgia on either side.

Hit janes defense for a comprehensive review of Russian military.
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:32 AM
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41. The West - the East - it's all a house of cards
Unfortunately, we're living in a house of cards.  The Russians
have their own problems too, I have no doubt.  In fact, Europe
and the US seem like they're ready for a "work out."


This site is really first rate:  http://www.shadowstats.com/


DEFICIT:

GAAP-Based    GAAP-Based
Fiscal        "Official" Deficit w/o      Deficit w
Year          Deficit     Soc. Sec., Etc. Soc. Sec.,Etc.
------------------------------------------------------------
2004 est.   $445 Billion     $800 Billion     $4.3 Trillion
2003        $374 Billion     $665 Billion     $3.7 Trillion
2002        $158 Billion     $365 Billion     $1.5 Trillion
  
------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.shadowstats.com/article/55

UNEMPLOYMENT:

"Up until the Clinton administration, a discouraged
worker was one who was willing, able and ready to work but had
given up looking because there were no jobs to be had. The
Clinton administration dismissed to the non-reporting
netherworld about five million discouraged workers who had
been so categorized for more than a year. As of July 2004, the
less-than-a-year discouraged workers total 504,000. Adding in
the netherworld takes the unemployment rate up to about
12.5%"
http://www.shadowstats.com/article/54

GDP

"Based on its analysis of income tax returns, the IRS
reports that, "For the second consecutive year, Adjusted
Gross Income (AGI) fell, decreasing by 2.3% to $6.0 trillion
for 2002. This represents the first time since prior to 1950
that total AGI reported on individual tax returns has fallen
for two successive years."[9]" 
http://www.shadowstats.com/article/57

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 12:39 PM
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35. Is this another cash cow for Bush cronies?
Edited on Sun Sep-07-08 12:39 PM by sfexpat2000
I guess they have to burn the place down before they leave.
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Truth2Tell Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 02:17 PM
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38. Because this thread won't actually autorank itself...
I gladly recommend. :)
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autorank Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 07:28 PM
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39. You discovered my secret;)
THANKS!
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