Any help on Biden issue

Hey all,

My wife and I are battling it out with someone on another forum and they keep harping on Biden's "slandering" of the other driver who was in the accident that killed his wife and child. The poster has brought up some piece by Inside Edition about the incident and claims that Biden was promoting that the driver was drunk up until 2007. Anyone have anything I can use in this argument?

Geez, who the fuck cares how much alcohol was in the driver. What matters is two people he loved dearly are gone. If someone wants to buy into that slander about Biden and his first wife and daughter than that's just absolutely DISGRACEFUL and you should tell these people they are an embarrassment.

Sounds like the same type of people who mocked John Kerry and his purple heart.

recall, the bottom line was that there was no mandatory blood testing back then and Biden was going on what he had been told by others. If the guy who killed Biden's wife and kid was sober at the time, that should make him feel better about it?

1) 59 posts
2) member for a month
3) no citation, just an unsubstantiated statement that no one has ever heard.

Smells like Palin moose droppings

Yep! Here it is. Google and I have beomea such good friends!

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/politics/2008012018_mccainbeer23.html

I partially blame them for the furthering of police state mentality in this country, ie police checkpoints.

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I am not a troll. I am just looking for some information. I prefer to have evidence as I make my arguments and not resort to name calling. Settle down there. Just wanting some help not to be slammed for asking a question.

on the Delaware Grapevine. It's written by a Del. Public Defender and explains alot of what was going on in DE and the investigation. My previous thread on that was http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=6903887

If you don't want to drill thru that thread, the Delaware Grapevine LTTE is here. Scroll down to "Sullivan..." about halfway down the page.

http://www.delawaregrapevine.com/letter.asp

an innocent woman and child. I don't understand what you could be discussing?

The other poster is calling Biden a liar and we are trying to defend him by finding evidence of what has been said. I understand the emotion regarding the loss and would probably feel the same, but since Biden did not feel the need for revenge on this guy, I think that I can cut my opponent some slack on it and just try to fight with truthful information.

What a letter. WOW. "Joe Biden always says what he believes to be true." I don't think a finer compliment can be paid.

That was good information.

It doesn't lessen the tragedy of Biden losing his wife and child. Unlike Mr. "I was a POW", Biden doesn't mention his tragedy very often and instead of letting his tragedy be an excuse for behaving like an asshole (yes I'm referring to you McCain), Biden was a real man and made the extra effort to step up to the plate and be a good dad to his surviving children. Biden was a true HERO in his situation and continues to be heroic enough to not need to bring it up constantly to prove that he's an amazing man.

Carol McCain?

We went there already as a sign of the complete hypocrisy of the Republicans on...just about every issue.

Anybody who would have a loved one killed in an accident would question what happened...

Published: December 14, 2007

IOWA CITY — Senator Joseph R. Biden Jr. of Delaware, a back-in-the-pack Democratic candidate for president, was answering a voter’s question last week about negative campaigning when he abruptly began talking about his first, euphoric run for the Senate, in 1972, and the personal tragedy that nearly destroyed his life afterward.

“Let me tell you a little story,” Mr. Biden told the crowd at the University of Iowa. “I got elected when I was 29, and I got elected November the 7th. And on Dec. 18 of that year, my wife and three kids were Christmas shopping for a Christmas tree. A tractor-trailer, a guy who allegedly — and I never pursued it — drank his lunch instead of eating his lunch, broadsided my family and killed my wife instantly, and killed my daughter instantly, and hospitalized my two sons, with what were thought to be at the time permanent, fundamental injuries.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/14/us/politics/14biden.html

He did not stop. I could not prove his blood-alcohol level. Yet I knew he had been drinking by the way he broadsided me and drove right on.

Sometimes you assume alcohol was involved from the facts about the impact and the driving. Other drugs and certain other physical impairments can cause drivers to appear to be drunk. The essential thing is that the other driver was driving recklessly. Whether the person was actually drunk can be difficult to prove. It may be a good guess, but it is not a lie to assume alcohol played a role. It is a reasonable presumption.

The way he put it in the article it wasn't slanderous at all.

Hope you didn't get hurt in that accident.

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Just a bit frustrated. Thought some of you guys might want to help out. Didn't think asking for help would get such a venomous response. I will do more of my own research in the future.

Some folks just want to bring up Biden's dead family.

I hope you'll accept my 'apologies' for some of the venom here; I'm afraid this forever election has done a lot of damage.

You've seen this, above: "A tractor-trailer, a guy who allegedly — and I never pursued it — drank his lunch instead of eating his lunch, broadsided my family."

That's NOT slander: "Slander is an untruthful oral (spoken) statement about a person that harms the person's reputation or standing in the community."

Joe above said he 'allegedly' drank his lunch; I expect that SOME thought and alleged that he drank his lunch; Senator Biden 'never pursued it.'

This election is the most important one in our lifetimes. People are getting worked up and rightfully so. I just want to do my part in combating some of the crap that is being said. No worries. I am not that thin skinned.

1972 crash still haunts driver's family
No DUI in crash that killed Biden's 1st wife, but he's implied otherwise

Since his vice presidential nomination, Joe Biden's 2007 statement that a "guy who allegedly ... drank his lunch" and drove the truck that struck and killed his first wife and daughter has gained national media traction.

Alcohol didn't play a role in the 1972 crash, investigators found. But as recently as last week, the syndicated TV show Inside Edition aired a clip from 2001 of Biden describing the accident to an audience at the University of Delaware and saying the truck driver "stopped to drink instead of drive."

The senator's statements don't jibe with news and law enforcement reports from the time, which cleared driver Curtis C. Dunn, who died in 1999, of wrongdoing.

http://delawareonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080904/NEWS02/809040379