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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 05:59 PM
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Kerry Said "Help is on the Way"
during his acceptance speech for the nomination of the Democratic party for the presidential race, John Kerry mentioned outsourcing twice

We're told that outsourcing jobs is good for America. We're told that new jobs that pay $9,000 less than the jobs that have been lost is the best we can do. They say this is the best economy we've ever had. And they say that anyone who thinks otherwise is a pessimist. Well, here is our answer: There is nothing more pessimistic than saying America can't do better.

What does it mean in America today when Dave McCune, a steel worker I met in Canton, Ohio, saw his job sent overseas and the equipment in his factory literally unbolted, crated up, and shipped thousands of miles away along with that job? What does it mean when workers I've met had to train their foreign replacements?

America can do better. So tonight we say: help is on the way.

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angstlessk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 06:04 PM
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1. well, he ain't president, and we see how well that went? n/t
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 06:36 PM
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2. so sad....

I couldn't believe it when he lost.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 07:05 PM
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6. WE lost.
Edited on Sun Sep-07-08 07:07 PM by TahitiNut
The "people" lost. The thing about 'democracy' is - we get what we ask for. (Some of us just didn't ask or didn't ask loud enough.)

People don't believe lies because they're particularly good lies ... people believe lies because we WANT to believe them.

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Prefer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 06:44 PM
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3. It means that coporations are leveraging the poverty of india
against our nations best interest.

They found a way to exploit poverty to bring in scab labor to undercut americans.

Then they say we don't have the skills, but this is a lie (unfortunately one that Obama also repeats, but he can't know everything...)

We have the skills, they just don't want to pay US market value. So they bring in scabs and pay them 1/3 and you get to train them to take your former job that you invested in college tuition to get.

WE HAVE THE SKILLS! WE NEED TO PROTECT AMERICAN LABOR.

If tyou want cheap labor - build you company in India and pay a TARRIF to compete on our market.

Other countries protect their laborers, why don't we?
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 06:50 PM
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4. Well Said. n/t
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lib2DaBone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 06:58 PM
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5. Thanks Prefer.. You are right on target......
.... Repubican Strategy is to leverage the poverty of the third world.. against American Workers. When ..Oh when.... When Oh when.. will someone in America Wake up? How can Americans be so STUPID? Their Jobs are going to China and Mexico.... yet they watch Nascar and Football. "Hey.. your jobs are going to China.. and it's first and 40.. do you think you guys should wake up?
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 07:07 PM
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7. Great Post Prefer
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 07:11 PM
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8. We must deal with unemployment with more training and education ...
... because a Master's just isn't enough to ask "Do you want fries with that?" Nor is a degree in education enough to mow my lawn. (True. Recent teaching degree - he couldn't find work - mowed lawns. Good, too.)

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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 07:14 PM
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9. I think a lot of folks in Ohio would like matching tarrifs
China has a 20% tarrif so should the US

We all know trade wars don't work out very well for either side but enough is enough
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 07:18 PM
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10. 100% in agreement.
:thumbsup:
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 08:02 PM
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11. We do have tariffs
Edited on Sun Sep-07-08 08:03 PM by bamalib
For example when you buy a $15 pair of sneakers at Walmart or wherever, $5 of that is from a tariff on imported shoes. That is 33%.
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FreakinDJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-07-08 08:05 PM
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12. NOPE - the WTO negotiations decreased it to 2%
so for a $15 pair of sneakers at WalMart $0.30 would be tarrif

Now if you sent that same pair of $15 sneakers from America to China, $3.00 would be tarrif
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:40 PM
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13. I got my figures from Friday's Wall Street Journal.
I trust that publication for business information more than stuff I read on an internet discussion board.
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OhioChick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:41 PM
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14. Link?
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 01:45 PM by OhioChick
I'd be interested in reading about this issue.

On edit to add: Like you, "I trust that publication for business information more than stuff I read on an internet discussion board."
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AZ Criminal JD Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:42 PM
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15. It was on the editorial page of Saturday's paper 8/6/2008.
It is called "Shot in the foot". I don't have a link because I read the print edition.
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