Sarah Palin: Pentecostal

I don't normally post my videos in this forum but feel this one needs to get a lot of coverage fast before Charlie Gibson interviews Sarah Palin.

I know many of you have seen the few videos available where Sarah Palin and her pastor are speaking to the graduating class of the "Masters Commission" as well as an ad by her church, Wassilla Assembly of God and the students of the Masters Commission. What I've done is take out the chatter from these videos and gotten to the nitty gritty of what Governor Palin & her pastor were saying to the students. I've also explained a little about the Masters Commission and what their purpose is, as well as introduce you a little to the Pentecostal faith.

It is not my intent to ridicule religion in general...my focus is on the outside the mainstream Pentecostal faith. Their doctrines are extreme and it is important we listen very closely to Sarah Palin's intent. Personally, I find it scary as hell that she and her pastor consider her a disciple of God and was put in her important position as governor of Alaska by God, and has a prophetic call to "unfold the kingdom of God." (Her pastor's words, not mine.)

Anyway, I hope you guys will find this information as stunning as I found it to be, and will help me spread this video far and wide. It's important Sarah Palin be asked serious questions about her faith which often conflates religious teachings with political views and actions. In this case, we are talking about an individual who is a hair away from the presidency of the United States and has a very scary destiny to fulfill.

Also, on YouTube, please give it 5 stars. A thousand hits will put it in the top 100, lots of comments will put it in top 100, and 5 stars will put it in top 100. PLEASE help me get this out there. Thanks so much!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=naXqE4dTxPA

...with the preacher touching people who drop to the ground and the snake seemed like too much.

Is there proof that this takes place at her church?

If you watched the video, it states very clearly they are examples of pentecostal worship...that is all.

...which doesn't go on in her church.

I think it's important they're associated with the extreme Pentecostal sect. That's part of the problem...they share the same doctrines.

with everything not necessarily being at her particular church. But that's just my guess. I've seen a show on TV about that snake thing, and I think the one I saw was a particular little church in Georgia. I think the touching people who drop to the ground is common in Pentecostal churches and I know speaking in tongues and puppet dancing are.

Also, if it were my video during the Benny Hinn bit I would mention that's he's not just a fellow Pentecostal but of the same denomination, the Assemblies of God.

I think it's important we make it clear, they are NOT a non-denominational church as has been reported and wanted to make sure they're associated with the extreme Pentecostals. Their doctrines are the same.

Saying that AG'ers are snake handlers because they're Pentecostal and snake handlers are Pentecostal (some of them are Primitive Baptists, but I digress) is like saying that all Protestants like hotdish and lutevisk because Minnesota Lutherans are Protestant.

I have never heard of a snake handling AG church. You and your good arguments lose all credibility when you stretch the truth to make her already outrageous beliefs seem even crazier than they actually are. You don't need to. She's not a snake handler, but if she's AG she speaks in tongues, believes in faith healing, and thinks the world will end any minute now.

Actually, it seems really clear from your argument that you don't understand much about the AG or Pentecostalism generally. Do some reading. Go to a service and take a look (if you're college age or younger there's usually one geared toward young people Wednesday nights- otherwise you'll have to wait a week.) Read up on the history of the Pentecostal movement (a good start would be the very good wiki page on the Azuza Street Revival) and on specific practices like speaking in tongues. Know the story of Pentecost (it's in chapter two of Acts) because it forms the theological underpinnings for the whole thing. If you want to win people over, you have to know your shit.

And no, before you suggest that I'm defending them, I'm an atheist and I think they're nucking futs.

understand much about religion, nor are they particularly interested in learning. That's their right, but it destroys their argument when they try to talk knowledgeably about things they know so little about.

Which is a damn shame, because the facts are generally on our side.

I've tried educating people on this issue and what her church actually does believe (which is crazy enough without trying to suggest that she's part of some lost band of Appalachian snake handlers) but apparently links to doctrinal statements, and explanations of the history of the sect weren't flashy enough. Maybe next time I'll read it over video of Benny Hinn and post it on Youtube. :eyes:

And I'd like to second the notion that knowlege is power and also that using snake handling footage is a poor choice. AG folk have plenty to discuss but snake handling is not a part of it.
When they touch them and they fall, that is common, and that is usually called being 'slain in the spirit'.
Lefty Mom is right on.

They were a kind of Baptist, actually, with strong Pentecostal leanings in worship style, but they were their own church, quite separate from any denomination. My first college roomie grew up in a snake handling church in West Virginia, and I got to know some of her family. Good people, though quite private about their faith.

Instead, talk about how AG churches jumped on the recovered memories bandwagon and ruined families. Talk about their mission work. Talk about how militant her pastor is and how he said that Jesus is in a war mood. Hit them on stuff that isn't just sensationalism but is actually what they believe and how they act on those beliefs.

Doctrines may be the same, and practices not. If the practices are the same between two groups, the doctrine is petty much irrelevant, except to theologians. Going at it the other way is using guilt by association. For example, two political groups may both claim to believe in peace, but one may advocate bombing the hell out of half of the world as the best practice for achieving peace, while the other advocates negotiation and trade agreements as the best practice to achieve peace. The doctrine is the same, but the practices are quite different. We would not discredit both groups based on the practices of the one just because they claim to share the same goal. On the other hand, what difference does "doctrine" make to the victims of the bombing?

Sarah Palin's churches are actively involved in a resurgent movement that was declared heretical by the Assemblies of God in 1949. This is the same 'Spiritual Warfare' movement that was featured in the award winning movie, "Jesus Camp," which showed young children being trained to do battle for the Lord. At least three of four of Palin's churches are involved with major organizations and leaders of this movement, which is referred to as The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit or the New Apostolic Reformation. The movement is training a young "Joel's Army" to take dominion over the United States and the world.

Along with her entire family, Sarah Palin was re-baptized at twelve at the Wasilla Assembly of God in Wasilla, Alaska and she attended the church from the time she was ten until 2002: over two and 1/2 decades. Sarah Palin's extensive pattern of association with the Wasilla Assembly of God has continued nearly up to the day she was picked by Senator John McCain as a vice-presidential running mate. Palin's dedication to the Wasilla church is indicated by a Saturday, September 7, 2008, McClatchy news service story detailing possibly improper use of state travel funds by Palin for a trip she made to Wasilla, Alaska to attend, on June 8, 2008, both a Wasilla Assembly of God "Masters Commission" graduation ceremony and also a multi-church Wasilla area event known as "One Lord Sunday." At the latter event, Palin and Alaska LT Governor Scott Parnell were publicly blessed, onstage before an estimated crowd of 6,000, through the "laying on of hands" by Wasilla Assembly of God's Head Pastor Ed Kalnins whose sermons espouse such theological concepts as the possession of geographic territories by demonic spirits and the inter-generational transmission of family "curses". Palin has also been blessed, or "anointed," by an African cleric, prominent in the Third Wave movement, who has repeatedly visited the Wasilla Assembly of God and claims to have effected positive, dramatic social change in a Kenyan town by driving out a "spirit of witchcraft."

The Wasilla Assembly of God church is deeply involved with both Third Wave activities and theology. Their Master's Commission program is part of an three year post-high school international training program with studies in prophecy, intercessory prayer, Biblical exegesis, authority and leadership. The pastor, Ed Kalnins, and Masters Commission students have traveled to South Carolina to participate in a "prophetic conference" at Morningstar Ministries, one of the major ministries of the Third Wave movement. Becky Fischer was a pastor at Morningstar prior to being featured in the movie "Jesus Camp." The head of prophecy at Morningstar, Steve Thompson, is currently scheduled to do a prophecy seminar at the Wasilla Assembly of God. Other major leaders in the movement have also traveled to Wasilla to visit and speak at the church.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-wilson/sarah-palins-churches-and_b_124611.html

Good video. Don't mean to only be critical (my post above.)

There is a lot to this story - careful aim would be worth the extra care and time, and there is no need to exaggerate.

I want to see if we can tighten up the connections between The Third Wave of the Holy Spirit, Joel's Army, and Palin. Also, it would be good to explore and discuss exactly what this all means in a political context. The practices are so outlandish that it is easy to merely present it as a freak show, but what underlies it is very serious and dangerous. Those are my thoughts. Keep up the good work and thanks.

Also, people are free to practice religion as they see fit and believe whatever they want to believe. It is the political aspects of this movement that are the concern.

for a whopping 1 minute 41 seconds! Unbelievable!

Examining Palin's faith 1:41

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/politics/2008/09/08/yellin.palin.faith.cnn

1) Misuse of funds???????

2) Terrorist group??????? Threatens our existence as well as plotting to take over. Refer to them speaking about Sarah carrying out their will or plan or whatever.

3) Why is this not front and center and a lawsuit being filed against her church and her or at least a major investigation????

4) Her MO is that she throws everyone under the bus when she gets in. She could fire everyone (knowing she will be President because McSame will not last) and replace them with her Church people. PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! She could even fire Rove.

but having grown up in part in those churches, I know they practice infiltration techniques, so frankly, until I see them taking action for Obama AND against McBush, I am skeptical of their actual loyalties. And I am right to be skeptical.
So I give them the Jesus test, and look to the product of thier 'support' the fruit they bear. If the fruit of those folk is a bunch of posts that say 'hands off Palin' then they are pro Palin. They can say anything, it is what is done that counts.

Religion in politics is his big bête noire. On last week's show, he stated that Palin was a "Jesus freak", something the right wing Chairman of GOPAC categorically denied as untrue. Maher might even run this video footage on his show.

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but I only beleive half of what I read. My bet is she has.

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