So, Ladies & Gentlemen, What Do We Do This Time When They Steal The Election Again?

just came off another du thread about this and (as someone else posted) the msm is already setting us up for this because of the "polling" that is being done.

so--what the fuck do we do next time? where is the game plan? what are we going to do?

on edit: the thread i was referring to:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3941573&mesg_id=3941573

I didn't disagree.

What is the point if the people we chose to have power that we don't have, refuse to fight the system that cheats. We do research on the nominees so we can vote the best we can and in the end the crooks can just arrange it with money. The last thing I said before going to sleep last night was," I'm not going to vote ".... Mrs. Moose

I am seriously concidering this. If they steal this next election next 8 years may make all this look like a cakewalk.

Even if I were physically able to do all that, it would not be the answer. I won't give up exposing them with all I can, but I think and have thought for a few years now, that by refusing to go along with a crooked system, is the best way to go. If we all stop letting them pick the weapon to use on us, they have no defense. We have to not take part in their little or big method of controlling us by finding another way . I don't recommend being as dirty as they are, but we should march to a different drummer. This is my suggestion, and you can throw it out, but I can't get it out of my mind that we are just being used by voting. If voting isn't working, then we might switch, Michail Moore's wrench to another one.????? not vote ? Just a thought. Mrs. Moose

that is definitely not the answer - it's not as if you're boycotting a product if you're not voting

My vote will be no good if they have so many ways to arrange the dictator, so If I don't give them that power to use me, then I can keep my self respect. That is worth a lot. We have to face things the way they are now, and not way back and keep doing what we always did do. We must be smart and beat them at their own game. I am searching very hard for a reason to think different than the way I do now, but the more I think about it, the more I'm comvinced to withhold my vote and find another way to stand up for my country. Mrs. Moose

things such as valid voter registration, showing up at the polls and casting a ballot; if you are able to go above and beyond that such as being a pollworker, or observer, or participate in some other way that is legal, you will be helping.

By not voting, you are not helping anything. Other consequences of not voting -- your precinct may be redrawn if there are too few voters in it and with each consolidation there is a loss of democracy as a result - fewer voices representing greater numbers of people. That would be a giant step backwards.

Just a few out of countless other things that help: keeping close watch over how elections officials conduct elections; showing up to the County Board of Supervisors meetings & writing to the media to report irregularities.

The vendors and the powers behind them are a formidable force; they win if they shut us down.

Can you suggest something we can do at home ? We do want to take part and do whatever we can. Mr. had a stroke and we are having a time just managing our home, but this is serious and we are not just lazy or want to be honery. We would have to cast our vote via mail, but we just think as I have previously stated. Yet, I know that we don't have all the answers and there are better minds out there. We are not giving up and searching. Thank you for your suggestions and response. It is appreciated. Mrs. Moose

Gee Mrs. Moose, I'm sorry to hear that you & the Mr. are ailing; :hug:

thank you for being concerned citizens despite your circumstances!

There are lots of action-alerts at the following links:

http://www.votersunite.org/takeaction.asp

http://www.velvetrevolution.us/

Any information from velvetrevolution, especially the Spoonamore interview should be spread far and wide - especially to elections officials, the county Board of Supervisors, your local media, friends & acquaintances.

hope that helps

if I think of more items, will post later

Meanwhile, I hope I have convinced you to register & vote (and tell your friends!)

We will do the best we can. Right now...John Spratt is on C-span and hope to go to the sites today at some point and get busy or I will explode. Don't worry...we are informed about voting and at this point, will not cast my vote before swine. We need to think about this a lot before we make the decision to keep on the same course we have been on. Mrs. Moose

NOT voting? How does that help anything?

Can u be a little more creative?

:boring:

Being creative is not my problem. I suppose that is one of my good points, but I am not always fully informed and admit it. I am on here to learn ...teach me , but don't expect me to not have my own opinion. I'm being creative in doing just that. Are you ? I hope so. Now give us all your opinion. Mrs.Moose

http://www.aeinstein.org/organizationsde07.html 4th book from the top.

Chileans stopped Pinochet. Poles Solidarity movement stopped the Soviets. Resistance stopped the Nazis in Denmark.

Remove cooperation and the system will fail. Deny them legitimacy, and deny them cooperation. No one can cooperate in any way. They will depend on passive acceptance of the new regime, and without that, they will not prevail.

This book is a step by step instruction to prevent and end a coup, and I hope every DU'er reads and incorporates it. I promise you, as I live and breathe, these are safe to download. I can't cut and paste from the downloaded pdf, but this is only a 72 page booklet and it holds some key concepts that we will need in the event of another theft.

First, though, is our voter registration work, then get out the vote baby!

It's the corporations, stupid!

We've got to get control over these (currently)immortal behemoths with (currently) the rights of real human beings.

That's fucking awesome! I guess he did grow up in Hawaii.

If there is any hint of election fraud, turn the cameras on and start interviewing anyone who will talk.

Upload the videos to YouTube ASAP!

Email copies (or the YouTube linkes) to BBC, Al Jazeera English, Der Speigel, Le Monde, and any other international media outlet.

Digg the videos, post links on DU, let everyone know the city and state, circumstances, which outlets have the links.

Then call U.S. media outlets, tell them what's going on and that the videos are on YouTube and in the hands of the BBC, etc.

known supporters, and calling everyone who hasn't shown up yet.

... so we don't have a repeat of Ohio and people getting cold and tired under all the freakin' rain.

does not happen in front of cameras...

It would help in cases of voter intimidation, but that's not the biggie.

There are over 50 ways that they have to disinfranchise the native americans, Hispanics, African Americans and Seniors. He said that it is very complicated and I agree. What to do ? He was on Link TV today. I was glued to him, among other's. I can't understand anyone ever watching the coporate run stations. After a while it is of no benefit to listen to them to learn how they think. It is boring as it is just a pep rally for a game of some sort. No substance at all. Just mind control and it insults me. Mrs. Moose

We cannot let this happen again!

They can't give in until the last vote is recounted by a neutral country if need be and they have to be willing to drag it on until January 20th and beyond if need be until it's settled. No more of the crap we got in 2000 that "W" needed to set up HIS government so any delay in the verdict would hinder it.

The candidates can't be the ones to be the lone voice, or the first voice.

We need to yell and they need to say they're responding to their constituents.

If EVERY VOTE truly DOES COUNT, make sure EVERY VOTE is counted. And if it takes 2 or 3 months to do it, so be it. EVERY VOTE means EVERY VOTE, not just until the nominee decides to give up. No more 2000 or 2004!

so people feel happier, and stay. Manage expectations so our people plan to stay as long as it takes.

That's a good idea.

I was going to say "Open a travel agency" (for all the people who want to leave), but I like your ideas better. I want some of Mahina's cookies.

Hekate


:kick:

We weren't ready for them four and eight years ago. We are now, and we're not going to accept defeat. Great prior posts. Get involved. Take the day off and be a monitor at the polls and report ANY irregularity. Right now, work on getting people registered before the deadline. Offer to drive people to the polls. Make sure they have their ID ready. Etc.

I think I know the ending.

Nothing will be done. Nothing will happen.

It is our party leaders who would have to fight this, and the most effective use of our time and energy would be spent in pressuring them to do just that - demanding that our representatives represent our interests and fight for us. If they will not fight for this, what would they ever fight for? If they won't fight for us, what is the point in supporting them? We fight for them. We defend them. Our vote is all we have, the only thing that matters. They stand by while our vote is stripped from us. But they take our money, while we get poorer and poorer and they get wealthier and wealthier. They ask us to give them our vote - ask us to give them what we are not even sure we have, thanks to them!

But we can't do that, we can not pressure them, because we traded away that option a while back. We pledged our undying and unconditional loyalty to them no matter what - that was our response to their weak and vacillating cowardice - and we even aggressively demand that everyone else get in line with that and we argue down anyone who dares to show "disloyalty" to our great and mighty poobahs of the party. We love them soooooo much, and we think - just as the abused spouse does - that if we only loved them even more that they would then do the right thing.

They won't do anything, and they are the only ones who can do anything about this. They know they don't have to, and they know we won't do anything to bother them or hold them accountable. We can be counted on to stand by them no matter what, and keep loving them. Oh they will promise to be better next time, and tell us they love us, if only we will let them back in and forgive them. And we always do.

You put my thinking so elequently that you took my breath away. Now if only we can think of something to do in the right direction. I hate to repeat myself, but would going the other way and not voting for them work ? Why do we keep using a method that isn't working for the people, I mean people that don't have these powers of control of the corporations ? Money ? We have the right to change our way of doing things if it is only making life better for some of the people and not all of the people. Why feed them our vote so they can mess with them ? I want to say something else, but better not. Mrs. Moose

A bunch of people on DU will post posts saying Next Time. We will win Next Time. Then give a bunch of things we need to do different. Other than that, not much. After all what can one person do. :sarcasm:

what we visualize and pray together has power
God defeat all those who promote war

pictures of the animal victims of Palin at link below

George Gallup on election night 1940 said Wendell Wilkie was tied with FDR
He in 1948 on election night said Dewey was 5 points ahead
etc etc

Every single 'pollster' is a neocon public relations firm

Democrats need to dismantle the fraud power of the Diebold successor as well
as Republican owned Election Systems and Software, Triad and Sequoia
Pacific

I am, of course, joking. I would, of course, never honestly suggest that the solution to someone dishonestly getting into power would be to forceably remove them from power (go on Quantico, find something incriminating in that!).

I'd like to think you guys would tear a page from the playbooks of Gandhi and MLK: Mass non-violent civil disobediance, mass protests, general strikes, etc.

What I think would likely happen is that political junkies like us would bitch about it on boards like there and that's about it.

I have thought of that and that is why I say...push the wheelbarrow the opposite way. Maybe the opposite would be to not use the system that they have planned for us to use against our own interest. I want to get someone to show me where my thinking is wrong. I really do. I don't think that I am always right and want to do the right thing for us all. I'm scared of what will happen to our world if something isn't changed with the way we are being controlled in favor of a few elite. I was against voting the last time, but I did anyway and it was to no avail and now I am ashamed of myself for not going with my gut feeling. I know...all it takes is one vote agaist us and they have the power anyway, but what would the world think of them? At least they would be exposed for what they are. if they win by cheating, we look like we are going along to the rest of the world. I don't want to feel that I went along with a crooked system and most know that it is. Mrs Moose

then I think the best thing for those who have the means to do so will simply be to move out of the country. In that event, I will consider it myself though it would be more difficult for me because of my age. In any case, I don't think the United States can take another four years of this. It was bad enough when Bush was appointed in 2000, but at least at that time the country was in much better shape than it is now. Today we're a global laughing stock with a failed economy, we're fighting two wars while preparations are being made for a third in Iran, we're facing a new cold war with a powerful, nuclear armed Russia, and in the worst case scenario we will have an aged and sickly McCain as president and Palin as his second in command "ready" to assume the big chair when gramps finally kicks off. God help us.

Cancel credit cards en masse.

Maybe figure out a legal way to cancel wireless phone contracts & switch to a selected carrier.

I go to Link TV or some other non bias network. Yup...no credit cards., need cell phone for safty, old lady ya know,.. no newspapers. no cable. It will help. We need to stop going along. I wish Dennis Kucinich would help us. He makes sense to me. Mrs. Moose

is the only way to convince the majority of Americans that an election has been stolen. They stopped releasing the data so that they couldn't be compared to the election results. What we need is accurate, non-partisan, transparent exit poll results. Exit polls are very accurate, often more so than the election tally. We really need an infrastructure to provide for and tally the results.

They are stealing he election now, it is happening. Don't wait to be irate, start now, its the only way.

I need to get to work , but I'm so afraid for our country that I can't keep quiet. Please people, keep the info coming on what to do other than going along with the flow. Mrs. Moose

put something together for mandatory exit polling?

Have him go into standup comedy, a la Gore.

Promise to be more servile to the Republicans henceforth and never, ever hurt their feelings again.

Admit that the American people just weren't ready.

Agree to drop all investigations of the Bush regime and allow the sealing of presidential records for another 20 years.

Come out with a Democratic program for an Even Stronger America with More Better Firepower.

Vote for tax cuts. Approve all Republican bills.

Work in a bipartisan fashion to end the scourge of public education altogether.

Unconditionally support the official story for the horrific attacks of 7/22/09 and agree with President Palin that to investigate this matter would be unpatriotic in a time of war.

Parade around with Palin signing new Homeland Security Terror bills in the gigantomanic Mobile PATRIOT Fortress as it tasers 100,000 protesters.

But protect Social Security.

This strategy worked all the other times, didn't it?

"we are all republicans now"

All in a pattern since 1980 - I thought until now Obama would break it and actually play hardball with these vipers (mixed metaphors), but now suddenly it doesn't look that way.

and fight back, but instead i'm afraid he's gonna be another kerry.

i said something similar after watching his interview on countdown. (without the gonads and kerry remark--i said if he doesn't stop saying "i have faith in the american people" or whatever it is he said and just start fighting back we are gonna be so fucked!)

And talking about how we HAVE to win the next election.

After all, that's the ONLY tool we have in a democracy, right?

:sarcasm:

En masse. Set the $$ aside to pay it back in again when things are righted.

Another thing: refuse to watch any TV at all. If all the Democrats did that, it would damage ratings - corporate sponsors no longer make $$.

Why watch them corportations manipulate your minds ? Mrs. Moose

You know it. I know it. And we all know what will happen to this post if I actually say it.:evilfrown:

I hope it doesn't come to that, but I won't live another 4 or 8 years under fascism.

But yet it's "OK" for rich people to bomb others for their own profit.
Nobody censors illegal wars.

Without Obama's plan for getting my family health care it's over for us.

well...2001, actually.

Accomplished a lot, didn't it?

:sarcasm:

I just can't fucking take it anymore. This country is so incredibly, pathetically stupid. The race shouldn't even be anywhere near close enough for the Republicans to even be able to steal the election, at least not without it being undeniably obvious that that's what happened. What the fuck is wrong with people?

I've been working on learning German for the past few years, but I'm still desperately trying to figure out some way to get over there, or at least to another German-speaking country. I'm disabled and I can't really work. No one wants an unemployed cripple.

The dictators are all over the planet ? I think it is out of control of the people,but I could surely be wrong. I hope it is OK to think for myself as of now, but will it always be that way ? I hate to be so down on the state of affairs in our whole world, but that is why I'm on here ...to learn what other people think. Mrs. Moose

...there are dictators all over the planet, at least in German I'd have free good quality health care, free university should I go back for another degree, and a guarantee of ~30 paid vacation days a year (should I recover enough to return to work).

Surely, there is oppression all over the planet and in every society. The question is just one of degrees and whether or not the good things about the place outweigh the bad. The social services and public education in Germany are absolutely awesome compared to the fat load of NOTHING we get here. And the more I learn about them, the more I find I have in common with Germans (and Europeans in general) in the way of values and thought processes than I do Americans. So although there is without a doubt social inequality and oppressive corporate control in Germany, I believe the general situation there to be much better for someone like me than America.

Even if Obama gets elected (Gods willing!), I don't harbor any illusions that he'll be able to improve this country to any noticable degree. The best we can hope for is that he stops it from actively rushing head first down the toilet. So I need to leave, ASAP.

It was a load off to get away from our off the track homeland. We live in a town of 60,000 people on the coast where almost everybody speaks English. Our closer friends are all Canadian, French, or South American. I built a solar hot water heater for our house and have sold over 300 so far. The US needs to implode while we still have a livable atmosphere!

:hi:

i believe in you!

:D

Will everyone on this thread please go to Moveon-dot-org

http://pol.moveon.org/paperlessvoting/

and sign this petition? Then send the e-mail inviting others to do the same?

Really, we can't sit by this time and take our chances.

Then go here

http://www.verifiedvotingfoundation.org/index.php

and find out what else we can do.

To me, this is ISSUE #1.