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Johnny Harpo Donating Member (330 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:24 PM
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The Palin Pick Was Planned
Choosing Sarah Palin as the Republican VP candidate did exactly what it was supposed to do.

Energize the Republican base? Appeal to disenfranchised Hillary supporters?

Add a youthful and attractive outlook to the campaign? Attract the undecided voters?

Granted all of the above could well happen. But it is not the plan!

The presence of Palin on the political stage was designed to do one thing and only one thing.

Take the focus of the public and the MSM off of the issues and place it on an individual.

It is no accident that no one knows who she is, what she has done or what she stands for.

It is no accident that her family background would be worthy of an afternoon soap opera slot.

This is not some strange twist of politics. This was PLANNED!

It was not planned by John McCain or those supposedly running his campaign.

This was planned by a Campaign Master. This was planned by the Great and Powerful.

This is a plan betting that Obama-Biden will be un-willing to abandon the high road of taking on the issues and listening to the voices of the American people.

This is a plan betting that Obama-Biden will be un-willing to play by the rules currently in place but aspire to the rules that should be in place.

This is a plan betting on Democratic un-willingness to get involved in down and dirty dog fighting in the trenches.

This is Rove-ian campaigning at is best and we need to pay attention the man behind the curtain.

This is a plan that could and should back-fire!

Obama and Biden need to hit McCain-Palin in the face with everything available!

They need to use every tool and surrogate available!

They need to respond and attack quickly and with force!

They need to bloody Mccain-Palin time and time again!

Palin was more then willing to take center stage in the butcher shop of national politics.

So be it...Let the meat grinding begin!

When the smoke clears after election-day and Obama-Biden are the President and Vice President elect. I, as a Democrat, will forgive them anything they had to do to get there.

Then they can begin to change Washington, but not until then!

The stakes are too high for anything else!
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:26 PM
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1. I agree. It's time to get down and dirty. We want to win--not go down
saying, "well, if only we'd..."
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firedupdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:30 PM
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3. agreed ...and we don't have to lie to do it. n/t
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:34 PM
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4. You'd think third time would be a charm. After all, we've already been rolled twice.
In TWO consecutive presidential election cycles. They got close enough to steal (which is all they need to do).

I'd go so far as to recommend that ANYTHING they do, we do BACK. ANYTHING. Doesn't matter WHAT it is. Whether it's clean or dirty. Fight fire with fire, not with feathers. I don't care about principle anymore, or how some people fret that - "Oh! We CAN'T go there! It makes us just like them!!!" Well, guess what? I absolutely WANT to be "Just Like Them." Why? BECAUSE THEY WIN, THAT'S WHY. Yeah. What they do WINS. And I want to WIN.

If you don't WIN, FIRST, you're never in any position to be able to run things, set the agenda, or have the power to be able to effect change - including change of The Way America Campaigns.

FIRST, you have to WIN. And I think we're at the "...at all costs" point, for sure.

No high road for me! Taking the high road leads you straight over a cliff.
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AnnaLouise Donating Member (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:36 PM
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6. palin picked by bp and chevron
palin picked by bp and chevron

bp paid for her inauguration
chevron is happy she allowed them to triple their pollution into
the beluga whale waters of the sea
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calimary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:43 PM
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8. Welcome to DU!
You ALWAYS have to look at who benefits. ALWAYS.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:30 PM
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2. Nice guys always finish last
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thecrow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:36 PM
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5. I agree. I read today that the toy manufacturers
already have a Palin doll. It takes time to get this into the market.
I know... I'm a modelmaker myself.
Oh... maybe it's from China and full of toxins.
That would be realistic.
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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:41 PM
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7. I couldn't 't agree more!!!!!
I've been struggling to understand the attractiveness of Palin to so many people. Aside from the admiring GILF crowd, she is getting large crowds. Deepak Chopra had a blog in Huffington Post a couple of days ago (sorry, don't have the link handy) where he postulates that her attraction via "Small Town Values" really is because the so-called Small Town Values validate the darker side of many of us - fear of strangers, or anyone not exactly like ourselves; narrow mindedness; disdain for people with higher education; belief in simple answers for complex questions. I submit that THESE are the reasons she's generating such enthusiasm - people can support her without appearing to be as prejudiced as they really are in their heart of hearts. Without McSame's Erin Brockovitch,. at least some of these Repuke voters might have just stayed home, but with Gidget of the North on the stump, they are energized. I have read that at least some of the more crazy religious crazies (a redundancy if every there were one!) are now saying prayers so that McSame will be elected and then promptly croak, leaving Our Girl Commander in Chief! All this to say that the situation demands that we react strongly, even fiercely, if we're going to head this off - we need to talk the "Hockey Mom talk", i.e. call the Repukes LIARS, CHEATS, INCOMPETENT MONEY GRUBBERS, not the polite discourse that Obama unfortunately still favors. The Repukes see civility as a sign of weakness - we can't play to their strong suit. There's just too much at stake!
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:45 PM
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9. They've been looking at running against Hilary for months now...
I believe they've been grooming her to use against Hilary for some time now.
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baby_mouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:49 PM
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10. A plan, eh?

Well I know something about plans and what tends to happen to them.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 12:50 PM
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11. Using facts that are ugly is not running a dirty campaign, truth is clean.
It's when smears are made up - that's a dirty campaign. There's a difference. Obama's got a wealth of material on both of them. Use it now!!!

And the simpler language the better. Yes, use the "L" word. Start listing all of them.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:07 PM
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12. It was planned in about 5 minutes. He wanted Joe L. Rove pushed McCain (for Romney.)
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 01:09 PM by chill_wind
McCain pushed back.

Per this story:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/sidney-blumenthal/why-palin-mccain-v-rove_b_122841.html


McCain is an erratic, impulsive hot head. He can thank the Dobson base and HIMSELF for Palin.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:12 PM
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13. Thanks for that link.
I had missed that story.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:29 PM
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14. I think a lot of DUers did--Pass it on. And "Fun Steve's" job didn't get any easier today, either.
Palin-- Freddie and Fannie Fumble

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6986085&mesg_id=6986085

Fun Steve Schmidt-- McCain's new guy. He vowed to make sure McCain didn't get embarrassed anymore by the McCain Campaign.
Heh.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6973717

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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:41 PM
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15. Not really -- they just let McCain think that he had picked her
and that narrative can fool even us.

There were far more sinister forces at work inserting her into the process:

http://www.thenation.com/blogs/campaignmatters/352178/secretive_right_wing_group_vetted_palin

The members of the Council for National Policy are the hidden hand behind McCain's Palin pick. With her selection, the Republican nominee is suddenly -- and unexpectedly -- assured of the support of a movement that once opposed his candidacy with all its might. Case in point: while Dobson once said he could "never" vote for McCain, he issued a statement last week hailing Palin as an "outstanding" choice. If Dobson's enthusiasm for Palin is any indication, he may soon emerge from his bunker in Colorado Springs to endorse McCain, providing the Republican nominee with the backing of the Christian right's single most influential figure.


The CNP includes such great Americans as Tim LaHaye (left behind books), Grover "Destroy all social programs"Norquist, James "Focus on the Family" Dobson, Oliver "Hey I'm a traitor, but I got my own talk show" North, among others.

McCain may have nodded his head in agreement to Palin, and may even have thought it was his idea, but her name was most definitely whispered into his ear by someone.
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:20 PM
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19. Sure. He pandered. No question.
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 02:21 PM by chill_wind
He pandered to their corner (for not the first time) and not to Rove's in this major process, or even any other of his advisors, or any of the moderates'. All part of the so called "maverick" re-branding ( I didn't let even Rove push me around) and a base he was totally failing to secure. He decided he needs them--Palin is his gambit. He had choices. But she wasn't his first, and the unvetted (by any saner, conventional means) Palin is the end result of his own mental ping-pong game. I wonder how he's liking it.
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:05 PM
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21. How is he liking it?
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 03:05 PM by nichomachus
I think McCain is at the point -- like most Republicans -- where he can convince himself of anything, no matter how nonsensical. At some point, the critical faculties just collapse and people are vulnerable to outside manipulation and self-delusion.

We have people writing to our local newspaper, extolling the virtues of Bush and trying to convince others that his administration has been a smashing success and the best thing that's ever happened to the country.

These people desperately need to believe -- and will grasp at any straw.

How else do you explain Sarah Palin? John McCain should have been laughed off the stage for selecting her as a VP candidate. Instead the GOP base leapt to their feet, hooted and hollered, and are wallowing in the illusion that she is anything but a vindictive opportunist who is more ignorant than George Bush (words I never thought I'd say).
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chill_wind Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:31 PM
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22. Agree with you 100 percent! n/t
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:43 PM
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16. evangelical with ovaries is just "bonus"
FOLLOW THE FREAKING OIL. FOLLOW THE FREAKING OIL. FOLLOW THE FREAKING OIL.

MCCAIN WAS TOLD HE HAD TO HAVE AN OIL-PERSON ON HIS TICKET.

FOLLOW THE FREAKING OIL. WATCH KBR/HALLIBURTON INVESTIGATION.
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:45 PM
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17. Agree---they're in the ring now
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mod mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 01:50 PM
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18. Palin =GOPac alumni:
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robinlynne Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:27 PM
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20. really well said!
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