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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:09 PM
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US to establish naval base in Georgia
US to establish naval base in Georgia
Sun, 07 Sep 2008 11:26:05 GMT

The US is negotiating with Georgia and Turkey to establish a naval base at one of the two key Georgian ports of Batumi or Poti, reports say.

Turkey, in an attempt to avoid political tension with Russia, has not officially revealed its position regarding the plan, said Gruzya Online, a Russian-language internet site.

Russia had previously announced its intention to station its own special forces at the Georgian ports.

One of the responsibilities of US Special Forces in the region is to ensure the security of an oil pipeline passing through Georgia.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=68735§ionid=351020606
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:10 PM
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1. World War III -- get ready folks n/t
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:10 PM
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2. "Take that, you evil doers. Smirk." - Commander AWOL & Cabal O' Republicon Cronies
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 02:11 PM by SpiralHawk
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:13 PM
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3. What's that, is that like number 139 or 138 bases now
around the world? I'm sure russia is gonna like that just like
we did with the Cuban missile crisis.
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unhappycamper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:22 PM
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5. This makes # 762 if
Tom Engelhardt's article is correct. I suspect the total number is higher if you include black and gulag sites.
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leftchick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:27 PM
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17. 761 Military Bases: Going on an Imperial Bender
Here is an excellent and recent article. Chalmers Johson has also written extensively on American Empire.



http://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174972/being_in_base_denihttp://www.tomdispatch.com/post/174972/being_in_base_denialal



Tomgram: Being in Base Denial


Going on an Imperial Bender
How the U.S. Garrisons the Planet and Doesn't Even Notice
By Tom Engelhardt

Here it is, as simply as I can put it: In the course of any year, there must be relatively few countries on this planet on which U.S. soldiers do not set foot, whether with guns blazing, humanitarian aid in hand, or just for a friendly visit. In startling numbers of countries, our soldiers not only arrive, but stay interminably, if not indefinitely. Sometimes they live on military bases built to the tune of billions of dollars that amount to sizeable American towns (with accompanying amenities), sometimes on stripped down forward operating bases that may not even have showers. When those troops don't stay, often American equipment does -- carefully stored for further use at tiny "cooperative security locations," known informally as "lily pads" (from which U.S. troops, like so many frogs, could assumedly leap quickly into a region in crisis).

At the height of the Roman Empire, the Romans had an estimated 37 major military bases scattered around their dominions. At the height of the British Empire, the British had 36 of them planetwide. Depending on just who you listen to and how you count, we have hundreds of bases. According to Pentagon records, in fact, there are 761 active military "sites" abroad.

The fact is: We garrison the planet north to south, east to west, and even on the seven seas, thanks to our various fleets and our massive aircraft carriers which, with 5,000-6,000 personnel aboard -- that is, the population of an American town -- are functionally floating bases.

And here's the other half of that simple truth: We don't care to know about it. We, the American people, aided and abetted by our politicians, the Pentagon, and the mainstream media, are knee-deep in base denial.

Now, that's the gist of it. If, like most Americans, that's more than you care to know, stop here.

Where the Sun Never Sets

Let's face it, we're on an imperial bender and it's been a long, long night. Even now, in the wee hours, the Pentagon continues its massive expansion of recent years; we spend militarily as if there were no tomorrow; we're still building bases as if the world were our oyster; and we're still in denial. Someone should phone the imperial equivalent of Alcoholics Anonymous.

But let's start in a sunnier time, less than two decades ago, when it seemed that there would be many tomorrows, all painted red, white, and blue. Remember the 1990s when the U.S. was hailed -- or perhaps more accurately, Washington hailed itself -- not just as the planet's "sole superpower" or even its unique "hyperpower," but as its "global policeman," the only cop on the block? As it happened, our leaders took that label seriously and our central police headquarters, that famed five-sided building in Washington D.C, promptly began dropping police stations -- aka military bases -- in or near the oil heartlands of the planet (Kosovo, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, Kuwait) after successful wars in the former Yugoslavia and the Persian Gulf.

As those bases multiplied, it seemed that we were embarking on a new, post-Soviet version of "containment." With the USSR gone, however, what we were containing grew a lot vaguer and, before 9/11, no one spoke its name. Nonetheless, it was, in essence, Muslims who happened to live on so many of the key oil lands of the planet.
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pampango Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:22 PM
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4. Apparently Russia has agreed to complete its pullout from Georgia.
except for the regions of South Ossetia and Abkhazia, according to the BBC.

"Russia has conditionally agreed to remove its forces from Georgian land - excluding Abkhazia and South Ossetia - by the second week of October.

The Russian president confirmed that his troops would pull out "from the zones adjacent to South Ossetia and Abkhazia to the line preceding the start of hostilities"."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7604376.stm
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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:24 PM
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6. cheney stirring up the pot as usual
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 02:24 PM by alyce douglas
sleazy SOB, he will do anything for OIL.

while americans are distracted by other things. it is business as usual for cheney, watch this SOB.
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CaughtInTheMiddle Donating Member (16 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:26 PM
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7. Hmmm
That's not good.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:27 PM
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8. I'm sure that BushCo wouldn't mind if Russia set up a naval base in Venezuela or Cuba
After all, fair's fair, isn't it?
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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:47 PM
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11. Actually they would welcome the conflict that would cause.
They would relish the chance to assert the Monroe Doctrine. They would brush all objections aside, all mentions of hypocrisy and double standards, under the banner of triumphalist american exceptionalism.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:42 PM
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9. Russia: US needs Georgia to strike Iran
Russia: US needs Georgia to strike Iran
Wed, 03 Sep 2008 22:32:58 GMT


A senior Russian official says the White House assists Georgia in a bid to secure Georgian territory for a potential attack on Iran.

In an interview with Press TV on Wednesday, Russian Duma Deputy Sergei Markov said Georgian President Mikheil Saakashvili 'brought some support from Israel' before he launched an attack on South Ossetia.

Georgian military forces launched a large-scale military offensive against South Ossetia on August 7. Russia, in response, moved its forces into the region.

The conflict in South Ossetia claimed the lives of some 2,000 people and displaced 40,000 others.

When asked if an attack on South Ossetia was a prelude to an attack on Iran, the State Duma Deputy said, "We know that this war in South Ossetia is somehow connected with the aggression of Washington against Iran and the possible bombing of Iran."

"Washington helped Georgia to take control of both South Ossetia and Abkhazia, (because) Washington needs Georgian territory to use for bombing against Iran," he added.

...>
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=68383§ionid=351020101


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Georgia airfields earmarked for war on Iran
Wed, 03 Sep 2008 16:48:47 GMT


Georgia permitted Israel to use two military airfields for 'a potential pre-emptive strike' against Iranian nuclear sites, a report says.

The revelation came after Georgia's offensive into South Ossetia in early August prompted Russia to march its Special Forces into the region, United Press International reported.

Russian Special Forces raided the airfields - in addition to other Israeli facilities in southern Georgia -, where Israeli drones were captured.

According to the report, Israel had used the airfields to 'conduct recon flights over southern Russia, as well as into nearby Iran'.

"A secret agreement between Georgia and Israel had earmarked two military airfields in the south of Georgia for use by Israeli fighter-bombers in a potential pre-emptive strike against Iran," read the report....>

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=68368§ionid=351020101

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endarkenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:45 PM
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10. We have lost our minds.
Why are we pushing a military confrontation with Russia on Russia's borders?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:52 PM
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13. A better question: What would 2 people who have committed capitol crimes -
treason and wars crimes, be willing to do to avoid losing control of this government? Reason # 455 to impeach these guys. Start a world war and declare martial law looks like a winner.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 02:49 PM
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12. Lovely.
We'll be able to ratchet up naval tensions with the Russian fleet anchored in Sevestapol, a few hundred miles away. The Black Sea isn't exactly our strategic waters...I wonder how this administration will feel when the Russians announce that they've been invited to port their Atlantic fleet in Venezuala?
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tannybogus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:19 PM
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14. And Russia will open one in Venezuela.
This is stupid and dangerous and that is an understatement. This about Bush trying to restore "face."

He feels like Putin embarrassed him bigtime so he has to getback before he leaves office. His honor is at

stake. He is more than an idiot.
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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:21 PM
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15. Ah, so that was what was in those "aid" shipments.
Gee, I didn't see that coming.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:23 PM
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16. Oh CRAP!
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Igel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:21 PM
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18. How does that work with the Montreux convention? n/t
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tannybogus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:22 PM
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21. Turkey is our ally although
I doubt they would countenance this. As far as the treaty from the Montreux Convention, when

has this administration let a little legality get in its way. The Bush Reich is completely

impervious to what the US citizens want, what the international community thinks, and anything

else as far as I can tell. They answer only to God and he has an official residence on the

grounds of the Naval Observatory.

:hide:
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katty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:14 PM
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19. Empire on the march
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crimsonblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:16 PM
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20. Doesn't a military base requre Congressional approval?
I mean, Congress has to designate funds and shit for it, right?
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