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Amerigo Vespucci Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:49 PM
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"Ordinary stockholders could be virtually wiped out" in the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac Bailout
September 8, 2008
Few Stand to Gain on This Bailout, and Many Lose
By ERIC DASH

Over the years, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac showered riches on many winners: their executives, Wall Street bankers and Washington lobbyists. Now the foundering mortgage giants are leaving some losers in their wake, notably their shareholders, rank-and-file employees and, in the worst case, American taxpayers.

But even after the government seized the mortgage finance companies on Sunday and dismissed their chief executives, the companies’ outgoing leaders could see big paydays — a prospect that angers many investors, particularly because ordinary stockholders could be virtually wiped out.

Under the terms of his employment contract, Daniel H. Mudd, the departing head of Fannie Mae, stands to collect $9.3 million in severance pay, retirement benefits and deferred compensation, provided his dismissal is deemed to be “without cause,” according to an analysis by the consulting firm James F. Reda & Associates. Mr. Mudd has already taken home $12.4 million in cash compensation and stock option gains since becoming chief executive in 2004, according to an analysis by Equilar, an executive pay research firm.

Richard F. Syron, the departing chief executive of Freddie Mac, could receive an exit package of at least $14.1 million, largely because of a clause added to his employment contract in mid-July as his company’s troubles deepened. He has taken home $17.1 million in pay and stock option gains since becoming chief executive in 2003.

Both executives stood to make millions more from restricted stock grants and options, but those awards are now worthless because of the plunge in the companies’ share prices. Even so, their past pay — and the idea that they might receive more — irks some investors.

“This is completely outrageous,” said Richard C. Ferlauto, the director of corporate governance and investment for the American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, a large pension fund. “It is really a slap in the face to shareholders and homeowners whose loans are at risk and taxpayers footing the bill for a bailout.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/08/business/08scorecard.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&partner=rssnyt&emc=rss&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:51 PM
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1. what is an "ordinary stockholder"?
Some rich guys I should cry a river about? Maybe if Mom and Pop invested their life saving for retirement I might care, but "ordinary stockholders" these days are the top 1% of wealth holders.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:56 PM
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2. There are about ten exclusives who will get the bailouts...al others well that their problem
<snip>
Who Owns Fannie and Freddie's Common Stock?
Posted by John Carney, Sep 07, 2008, 7:24pm

The common stock of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac is almost exclusively held by large financial institutions. The top ten largest institutional holders control over half of the stock of each companies.

Details on Fannie Mae's ownership can be found here. Details of Freddie Mac are here. (Courtesy of MSN.)

http://dealbreaker.com/2008/09/who_owns_fannie_and_freddies_c.php


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mainegreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 03:57 PM
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3. No. Ordinary stockholders are generally average joe or average joe 401k/IRA
Fannie and Freddy also have preferred stock. Most companies have grades of stock. Generally, when things go to hell, the better your grade of stock, the closer to the front of the line you are when it's time to liquidate and payout the remaining cash after paying debtors.

The 'rich' have the better grade of stock.

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:00 PM
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4. Exactly right. All this is is corporate welfare for those rich thugs who lost money on their
imaginary hedge funds. Nothing more, nothing less. This never ever had anything to do with small investors or people who lost their homes. Nationalizing the macs at the cost of driving this country into world record debt is sheer stupidity at its highest.

we are going to be paying for this for at least the next 7 to 10 generations. That's only IF we return to responsible government.

what we are witnessing is the colossal ponzi scheme being propped to continue to give false hope to a nation that hasn't figure out that we are on a path straight into a wall at top speed.

And what I want to know, just where is the money going to come from to pay for this nationalization? T-bonds????? LOL that's a riot. Who is going to buy them? the dollar is worth shit. Oh maybe I just haven't been paying attention or have those "the dollar is making a strong come back" headlines the last few days trying to grease the wheels to all of Asia will crack open their collective wallets to keep us afloat and buying their plastic crappy made bullshit!

Folks, we live in a ponzi scam government fueled by a fiat economy.

The days are numbered.
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lyonn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:35 PM
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5. Just gotta kick this. Will we the people end up paying for the
failure of Corporate America yet will have nothing to show for it, not even stock?? For sure McCain, the Economist, can fix this mess???? Sorry, I'm ranting and trying to be sarcastic.
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intheflow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:50 PM
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6. Noooooooooo!
The stock market is going to save social security!



:sarcasm:
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snappyturtle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 07:49 PM
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7. Oh good one...how soon some forget....me! I know some here may
not agree with me but owning stock is no guarantee of profit....losses happen. I've had stock and have had to sell it when I needed money. I broke about even. I had a mutual fund too and it faired only a little better. What is it that 'they' say...something like you have to be in it, the market, for the long run. Well, looks like the long just got very long. It's a risk, period. I feel sorry for the rest of us none stockholders especially for those of us who don't have all that many years left on this earth because we'll never live to see the light at the end of the tunnel.
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