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southernleftylady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:36 PM
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I heard that Alaska has the most cases of rape and incest . Is this true?
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 04:59 PM by southernleftylady
Just wondering
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provis99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:37 PM
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1. It's true.
But of course, the whites up there blame it on the Eskimos.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:00 PM
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10. You show your ignorance. And why do you say it's true? Link to stats needed
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 05:08 PM by uppityperson
Esp in AK they are called Inupiat, or Yup'ik or Cup'ik, or Native. Not "eskimos". Good lord the stuff that is coming out of people's writings...
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Tallison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:42 PM
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15. Just a question here...
Is the term 'Eskimo' considered derogatory? I understand that it's ethnographically meaningless, but does it kind of constitute a slur?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 09:06 PM
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16. From what I know, heard, it is. It could be used in innocence, but
I'd put it in the slur category.
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Tallison Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 09:49 PM
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17. Check what I found...
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 09:56 PM by Tallison
The fact that there's controversy surrounding its etymology would support your hunch.

From Wikipedia, 'Origins of the name Eskimo':

Two principal competing etymologies have been proposed for the name "Eskimo", but the most commonly accepted today appears to be the Montagnais word meaning "snowshoe-netter". The word assime·w means "she laces a snowshoe" in Montagnais. Since Montagnais speakers refer to the neighbouring Mi'kmaq people using words that sound very much like eskimo, Ives Goddard of the Smithsonian Institution has concluded that this is the more likely origin of the word.<1><2>

Jose Mailhot, a Quebec anthropologist who speaks Montagnais, however, published a paper in 1978 which suggested that the meaning is "people who speak a different language".<3>

Folklore has it that some Algonquian languages called Eskimos by names that mean "eaters of raw meat". Linguistic research by anthropologists does not support that etymology, but regardless it is commonly felt in Canada and Greenland that the term Eskimo is pejorative.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Origin_of_the_name_Eskimo
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:17 PM
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18. Used to be thought came from "eater of raw meat"
http://www.yaelf.com/aueFAQ/mifeskimo.shtml

It now seems unlikely that "Eskimo" means "eater of raw meat".
Merriam-Webster changed its etymology when it brought out MWCD10,
and referred me to an article by Ives Goddard in _Handbook of
North American Indians_ (Smithsonian, 1984), vol. 5, p. 5-7.
Goddard cites the following Amerindian words:

Montagnais _ayassimew_="Micmac"
Plains Cree _ayaskimew_="Eskimo"
Attikamek Cree _ashkimew_="Eskimo"
North Shore Montagnais _kachikushu_ or _kachekweshu_="Eskimo"
"not analysable but explained by speakers as meaning 'eater of
raw meat'"
Ojibwa _eshkipot_="Eskimo" (literally "one who who eats raw")
Algonquin Eastern Ojibwa _ashkipok_="Eskimo" (literally "raw
eaters")

Goddard writes: "In spite of the tenacity of the belief, both
among Algonquian speakers and in the anthropological and general
literature <...> that Eskimo means 'raw-meat eaters', this
explanation fits only the cited Ojibwa forms (containing Proto-
Algonquian *_ashk-_ 'raw' and *_po-_ 'eat') and cannot be correct
for the presumed Montagnais source of the word Eskimo itself. <...>
The Montagnais word _awassimew_ (of which _ay-_ is a reduplication)
and its unreduplicated Attikamek cognate exactly match Montagnais
_assimew_, Ojibwa _ashkime_ 'she nets a snowshoe', and an origin
from a form meaning 'snowshoe-netter' could be considered if the
original Montagnais application (presumably before Montagnais
contact with Eskimos) were to Algonquians."...(more)
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Canuckistanian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:23 PM
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19. 'Eskimo' was always a slur to northern natives
In Canada, we've recognized that for decades.

I think it was originally an Algonquin term meaning "eaters of raw meat"

Nowadays we use the term "Inuit", although that's not linguistically inclusive of all the cultures in the area.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:30 PM
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21. The people here don't use that term.
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 10:32 PM by Blue_In_AK
As Uppity has pointed out, we have several different Native cultural groups here -- generally, the Tlingit, Haida and Tsimshimian in Southeast (who are considered Indian tribes); the Athabascan Indians in the Interior; Aleuts in the Southwest and the Islands; Yupiks/Cupiks in the Northwest and Inupiat on the North Slope. I guess the Yupiks and Inupiat are theoretically what are commonly referred to as "Eskimos" but it's just not a common term here, and I'm pretty sure they see it as an ethnic slur, at least. I know the Indians HATE to be called Eskimos because they are a completely different culture.
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jgraz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:39 PM
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2. And they're just counting the Palin family.
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:41 PM
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3. True, but that may be due to the fact that ALASKA HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH THE AMERICAN MAINSTREAM
it's a strange, distant, alien, almost foreign place and it would be very hard for someone from there to understand the rest of America and Americans.
That is an idea we need to keep pushing. Make her out to be the other.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:33 PM
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22. Would somebody please provide that
"Not this shit again" picture?
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:19 PM
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24. Sorry, I would, but a moose ate it
such strange creatures
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southernleftylady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:43 PM
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4. Why doesnt anyone ask the gov. that little tidbit? nt
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catgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:44 PM
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5. and unsolved missing persons.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:57 PM
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6. Dead Animals Displayed Everywhere
what's a little rape and incest.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:35 PM
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26. errr wtf?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:58 PM
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7. What does "a leader" mean? Here's a link on rape stats.
California is way ahead here, but the population is larger also.
http://www.statemaster.com/graph/cri_for_rap-crime-forcible-rape

I'd look for more but am at work on a crappy computer with poor connection.

I would think they were like any rural state, as far as overall sex crimes.
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southernleftylady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 04:59 PM
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8. yeah that is horrible phrasing.. but didn't know how to say it.. I mean no offense since I am a rape...
survivor myself
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southernleftylady Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:00 PM
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9. just changed the wording nt
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 05:05 PM by southernleftylady
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:04 PM
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11. Thank you, appreciate it. Been seeing too much state bashing going on.
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 05:06 PM by uppityperson
I looked for stats and found some that showed not so far as sheer numbers go. Not sure about % of pop, but I didn't see it as more of problem when living in Fairbanks, Juneau, or Ketchikan than I've seen living in rural WA (a community 30 mi away from me has a reputation for being seriously inbred, here in WA). I'd like to see #s if anyone can come up with them.

Like other poor rural states, alcohol can be a serious problem though. I know, AK isn't poor, but a lot of people there are leading subsistance lifestyles not only of the sort of actually living off the land, but living in villages or towns or the cities being very poor.

Edited to add, ask in the AK forum as there are several active DUers there that may have links to numbers. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=138
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 05:29 PM
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12. I found another link with AK & Wasilla stats. AK 2004 84.8/100,000 residents

http://www.disastercenter.com/alaska/Year2004/WasillaPD.html
Ak 558 total in 2004, 84.8/100,000 inhabitants.

http://safety.fizber.com/Alaska/Wasilla/
this one says
2000 1
2001 2
2002 2
2003 1
2004 1
2005 3
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:37 PM
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13. Herdin_cats found this link, % highest but not "most cases" for rape
%/population is highest, but the number of cases is not the highest.
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004912.html
can't find incest numbers.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 06:38 PM
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14. more than utah? that's hard to believe...
but i guess that you can only count the oines that get reported.
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Blue_In_AK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:24 PM
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20. Yes, it's true,
Edited on Mon Sep-08-08 10:35 PM by Blue_In_AK
on a per capita basis, not overall totals, of course. This is the great shame of our state, closely tied with our very high rate of alcohol abuse.
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Marrah_G Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-08 12:35 PM
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25. Is there still a big difference in male/female ratio there?
If so, put that together with drinking and it's a very bad mix.

Every state has its pros and cons. I think your state is beautiful.
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1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-08-08 10:45 PM
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23. i guess the question would be "so fucking what?"
what are you implying?

if new york city has the most cases of crack whores, what does that mean?

if indiana has the most cases of gun shot deaths per capita, what does that mean?

i california has the most cases of child molestation, what does that mean?

if this just some sort of cheap ass way to cast aspersion on a state as a way of inflicting some damage to a political campaign, then you are way off base.


my god, du is getting embarrassing...





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