MSNBC: Matthews & Todd Think It Was "Naive" Of Obama To Think That Comm. Organizing Was A Plus

Chris Matthews posed that idea to Chuck Todd who said "yes" (agreeing that it was "naive" of the Obama campaign to think that Obama's experience as a community organizer was a plus), and added that he thinks the Obama campaign wishes they could take it back, i.e. they never should have brought up the issue of community organizing.

Am I way off base here, or did Chris Matthews and Chuck Todd just react *exactly* the way the right wing wanted them to do? WTF? And here I expected them to question Rudy and Palin's sarcastic and mocking bashing of Obama's experience helping people.

I know, I know, they wanted to fire up the base and probably tap into the racist undercurrent (I'm referring to Rudy and Palin), but why would community organizing be viewed negatively by average people who aren't part of the rabid right base?

I agree with Thom Hartmann, the Obama campaign needs to come out with commercials ASAP (we should've seen them last Friday actually) correctly and clearly defining and framing community organizing, and with the right casting to avoid the race trape the right is trying to set.

they have lot's of influence in our corporately controlled media.....


....can't have a Fourth Estate that is corporately controlled. I guess that experiment has been proven to be detrimental to our democratic Republic.

make was to ignore her Gov experience when he compared her being a mayor to his running his campaign. Which is what prompted her convention remark.

The community organizer ads would be a good response. But they will be able to respond with an attack against Obamas original statement. Then is becomes who gets the footing with the public on the issue.

...to Chris Matthew's lips, he's just a text-to-speech engine for his GOP handlers.

It just shows that the GOP and their media cronies will stop at nothing. Attacking the invaluable work that community organizers do to try to make life better for some of the country's most disadvantaged people, merely to score political points over an opponent, is despicable. Not only that, it clearly shows what lies at the heart of Republicanism: contempt for any activity that doesn't turn a buck. Volunteer work? That's for losers. What you really wanna do is get a nice big pork-barrel contract from the city to set up a "program" and then skim straight off the top. That way, all that time spent among smelly poor people isn't wasted. Kaching!

Sorry, but he's been shying away from a direct assault for so long, I wonder if he has it in him.

It's ridiculous, they can't even make up their own minds from one to the next. It's like they wake up, and grab the talking points for the day.

I am going to quit also except for Keith and also R. Maddow.

:wtf:

they are determined to split and fuck this country up even more than it already is.

helps him. And if the greedy rightwing thugs had any love for their fellow man, it would make a difference to them,too. GEMSNBC must have come down hard on all their pundits.

It's rather naive of Matthews and Todd to imply there was nothing between then and now.

8 years in the Illinois State Senate and 4 in the U.S. Senate aren't nothing.

gone into broadcasting instead?

Look, no matter what Obama or Biden said or did the GOP is going to mock them, no matter if it's something the party normally advocates. They're attacking Obama on his social work. They belittled Biden for thinking the driver who killed his wife and child may have been drinking. I'm seriously expecting the following "indignations" in coming weeks: "Obama didn't get married until his 30s. Doesn't he believe in family ... or is he hiding something?", "Obama can't recall where he was on several weekends in 1982: he claims he was studying, but what was he really doing?" (oops! they already tried this one), "Why does Michelle say she's done with family? Who's going to raise those children?", and so on ad nauseam.

My Obama answer: "Yes, I did. Senator McCain followed his father and grandfather, both admirals, into the Navy after graduation. We both chose to serve our countries."

What did they accomplish?

That would make a good commercial........

Dwight D. Eisenhower during WWII keeping many disparate groups/nations moving toward a common goal.

Democratic strategies. Why doesn't he note that Republicans took the wrong course by stomping on those Thousand Points of Light that the nation will need if they get reelected and further cut poverty programs.

Tweety tries too hard to pretend he's not a Democrat by criticizing them and promoting RNC talking points that he knows are invalid.

Only occasionally, when a speech as remarkable as Obama's at the DNC convention rolls out, does he speak admiringly about Democrats.

And only occasionally does he speak very sharply about the many mistakes the Bush-Cheney-McCain gang have made.

This one exchange lasted all of one minute out of 60.

Read: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=6990410&mesg_id=6990613

Read through the whole thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x6990019

He's pissed at being dumped as anchor due to McCainiac whining. His show is repeating now so you can watch and judge for yourself.

I created this thread immediately after Matthews posed the question to Todd Re: Community Organizing.

he's been able to conduct the most well run, organized, LARGE campaign in history. It's because of his work on the ground he knows middle class doesn't start at $5 million. He's seen it up close and personal, unlike Gramps who would probably faint at the sight of a cockroach in a tenement building.

Hs asked if, in trying to use the term "community organizer" against Obama, the Goopers were using racial code.

Chuck Todd (normally right; in this case wrong) responded that he didn't think so, and that now the term (for some unspecified reason) is a "problem" for the Democrats. (Chuck, sticking to matters closer to his expertise, also said that Obama was still in a stronger position than both Kerry in 2004, and McClown now, electorally.)

Later, Tweety absolutely shredded some Rethuglican flack on the same community organizer point, then confronted him with Palin's ridiculous views, asking him if they comported with the American mainstream. The Democrat sitting there basically didn't have to say a word.

In short, Matthews was on fire today, and pro-Obama.

again.

Unless someone played an insanely good practical joke on me, I saw it with my own eyes.

It's just a hobby for the nice people.

A la Rove -- attacking a strength, so to speak.

They way they presented it was that it is OBVIOUSLY a clear weakness when that's clearly ridiculous. It's CLEARLY a positive, and if the Obama campaign handles it right, they should be able to quickly and easily trounce this ridiculous line of attack.

But with the way Matthews and Todd frame it, it gives the right wing line of attack a false sense of legitimacy IMO.