Arguiing with Mom.

I am not one prone to discuss politics or religion in my immediate family, because it is usually a useless endeavor. However, I called my mother, who is 83, tonight, to see how she is doing , because she likes phone calls and she is really a nice lady at heart..
However, she was very excited tonight because my little brother and his wife had called her after attending a McCain rally in Ohio.
Okayy, I thought, how do I change the subject.
She then said " You know, your brother would have told you but he knows you dont think much of McCain.."
I told her, no, I didnt, and then she went on a bit of a rampage...I was curious, so I listened. I was curious as to why, after 8 years of Bush, she and my brother, and , as I found out later, ALL of my brothers and sisters, are all voting for McCain..thats 6 people..I am the only one who will be voting Obama...
I wanted to find out why an 83 yr old woman, who has often had to choose between meds and food, would still vote republican.
Her verbiage went like this:
"Abortion! AND they will take away our guns and socialize this country and then the Christians will be persecuted and then we will be just like Germany where their Planned Parenthood forces children as young as 12 yrs old to have sex!"
I tried to stay logical..
"Mom, I know you vote on the abortion issue. So, if we lived in a country that didnt ship its jobs overseas, and paid a decent wage, and didnt start illegal wars (she does admit the war was wrong), then, maybe, more girls would choose to keep their children because they could afford it.." (I tried to find some common ground)
That didnt work.
So I changed the subject. She is hell bent on McCain based on the abortion issue. I still cannot figure out why my brothers and sisters are voting for him, though. One of my brothers was a real estate broker and he lost his job during the meltdown..my other brother belongs to the NRA, and my other brother is openly racist, so I suppose I know a few reasons why, but it is all very confusing to me.
After 8 years of hell, I just cannot fathom how anyone can justify the need to allow 4 more years of hell.

I mean, thank goodness for that, but the political scientists say we essentially get our political beliefs from our immediate family, just like our religion. Why do you think you turned out different?

I have no idea why. I am the firstborn, maybe that has something to do with it.

I can sympathize with you on that. We just don't discuss politics - as a matter of fact, we don't talk much at all. haha My family is full of bigots, sexists, you name it, so when I was very young I told myself I just didn't want to be like them. Simple, really.

In fact, people are more likely to change their religious denomination than their political allegiance.

They are set in their ways. It will take McCain being caught having sex with a puppy on the front lawn of the Capitol building before they will think differently, I believe.

My mother and sisters are all about McCain. I have forbidden myself from calling any of them until after the election, if then. It is sad and I feel your pain. Please protect yourself from your family's insanity. That is what I have had to do. peace, Kim

It is like I have an insider's view or something. I am 57 now, so I am used to it. I just wont discuss politics with them. I love them from afar, usually. I dont have pain from it, I just find it fascinating to study the fear they all have, and wonder why they arent afraid of the last 8 years..makes not a lick of sense to me...

That 911 'tribute' at the Rethug convention was geared to folks just like her. Enjoy the fireworks. I just hope that we end up on top this time. Peace, Kim

with whatever happens. I have to be, or I will go crazy. I remember 2004, the day Kerry had the election stolen from him. I remember how I felt. I refuse to feel that way again no matter what happens.
Empires have been around for a long time. Spain, England, Germany, France..they all had their empires..they were huge empires, and lasted for a long long time...it took a lot to get them to cave...maybe people in the United States havent been through enough yet to get them to change..maybe it will take a lot more..before they throw up their hands and say ENOUGH! I dont know..I pray that Obama wins, and the course is set for change...The pendulum will have to swing, eventually...

These are the EXACT same things some friends and one family member said back in 2000 trying to convince me to vote for bushx(

They (Dems) believe in murder=abortions, they want to take your guns away and socialize this country.

It's the same crap and these same stoopid, stOOpid people fall for it every damn time:banghead:

I talked with a childhood friend two nights ago. She's for McCain too. I told her about McCain's cheating on his wife because I know she hates cheaters. Her brother-in-law has tried to talk to her about the science angle because my friend was a math teacher and is usually a logical person.

I have been really depressed that someone as intelligent as my friend is would back McCain. My only consolation is that she is in a deep red state, so her vote won't affect the Electoral Vote. It's just that I don't feel I can be really close to her anymore.