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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 03:56 PM
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"A Palin presidency may have literal apocalyptic consequences"
Edited on Wed Sep-10-08 04:00 PM by kath
another piece by dogemperor. (It references THIS article by Chip Berlet: http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/9/9040/56216 )

dogemperor's article appears on three different websites. Take your pick when forwarding on to friends:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/9/143710/2371/534/592379
http://www.talk2action.org/story/2008/9/9/17287/52924/Diary/A_Palin_presidency_may_have_literal_apocalyptic_consequences
http://dogemperor.newsvine.com/_news/2008/09/09/1846782-a-palin-presidency-may-have-literal-apocalyptic-consequences

Now, none other than Chip Berlet has broached the question that those of us watching this particular form of "Christian nationalism" have been asking ourselves, and I give my own thoughts and commentary on that question:

Could the prospect of Sarah Palin being a heartbeat away from the presidency, and her connections with neopentecostal dominionists, have literal end-of-the-world consequences?

Berlet's article raises disturbing questions
Chip Berlet, a well-recognised researcher on Christian Reconstructionism (one of several distinct forms of "Christian nationalism" that include neopentecostal dominionism and ultramontaine Catholic nationalism) has written a very good article on the subject of apocalyptism, "Christian nationalism" in general, and neopente dominionism in relation that bears a good read by all. Whilst I do quibble about some of his terminology (I myself dislike the terms "hard" and "soft" dominionist, preferring "theological dominionism" and "functional dominionism" for his terms) I do hope to establish a base for his request:

Does Sarah Palin share with millions of other evangelicals a nightmare vision of an approaching global battle between Godly Christians and evil Satanic agents of the Antichrist in the End Times? I hope some reporters ask Palin if she shares the vision of an apocalypse soon.

Unfortunately, I fear the answer to Berlet's inquiry is likely to be a "yes"--partly because of my own personal experience in some of the very groups Palin maintains relations with, and partly based on my own research.


article gives a brief history of apocalyptic thought in the Assemblies of God, and states that "From at least the 1930s on, Communism and Socialism were directly equated with Russia, and by extension with Satan; from this time on, Democrats were literally demonised as "closet Reds" and thus--in Assemblies end-time theology--as being literal agents of Satan."


One of the things I still have nightmares over to this day--and modern political events don't help at all with this--is of Cold War sermons regarding the Final Battle.

You see, they would preach that Russia (back then the USSR) was the literal country of Satan and its leader was the Antichrist. And at the very end of things, Russia would use some Middle Eastern country--Iran was quite frequently mentioned--and would launch an invasion of Israel after having nuked Jerusalem.

The US would begin a nuclear exchange with the Russians after that, which would end up with the US and Israel against the rest of the world in a nuclear Mother of All Wars to be centered on Megiddo Hill.

Of course, all the True Believers would be raptured up first. And they'd have a heaven-side seat to watch everyone else burn in literal nuclear hellfire.

And the sick and sad thing was that they welcomed this. The preacher almost seemed to be in orgiastic joy over the fact that in 1984 the relations between the US and USSR had worsened to such a point people were thinking nuclear war was a very real possibility.

I didn't know then that they were pulling this stuff out of the Scofield Reference Bible (along with their support for young-earth creationism and a lot of other bizarre things) and that the reference in the Scofield bibles were actually from Tsarist Russia--back when the Russian secret service was doing progroms against its Jewish population and printing things like The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion to justify them.

I know that now, but I still have nightmares about how the whole church was so damned happy that literally the rest of the world was going to be nuked and they were finally going to Get Theirs Against All Those Non-Dominionist Heathens.

The fact that we could end up going into a nuclear war with Iran doesn't help my nerves any at this...nor does the fact that, even to this day--fully 12 years after the Berlin Wall fell--they still claim that Russia is "Gog" and that Boris Yeltsin is part of a grand Satanic conspiracy.

Such things have been the very meat and potatoes of Assemblies theology for years--the Cold War, and later (as we'll see) the Gulf War, literally turned into a holy crusade and the thermonuclear obliteration of most of humanity turned into a divine rite.

If it were just the Russians that were being labeled as the Antichrist, that'd be one thing. The thing is, however, both Iraq and Iran have also been labeled as "Antichrist Toadies" for practically the entire time the Assemblies and its daughters have been in existence. Iraq gets labeled because of it being the historical site of Babylon; Iran because of some of the same sections in the Scofield Reference Bible equating Gog with Russia equating other "enemies" with Iran.
And it still gets worse.

Demonisation of Democrats
{snip}
I myself can recall that--at least in the Assemblies and its daughters--there was also a very strong meme, promoted during the Carter years onward, that pretty much equated the Democratic Party as a whole with being a Communist proxy, thus directly equating them with Satanists. (Did I mention that "Satanic Panic" was quite popular in these circles, too?) And yes, the more hardline did--and do--still see us as closet Communists and closet Satanists, as this has been part of the core theology for a long time.

Even with Palin's churches, this has been noted explicitly. Despite claims of no longer being a member, Palin has maintained an ongoing relationship with Wasilla Assemblies of God, including (as has recently been documented) giving "guest testimony" at a "Master's Commission" ceremony in June 2008 (Master's Commission, as we've noted in previous posts, is a group run by the Western District of the Assemblies of God as essentially a "ministerial training" group for teens and young adults). And the pastor of Wasilla A/G has let loose this little gem--one that is, sadly, quite typical of Assemblies congregations:

"During the 2004 election season, he praised President Bush's performance during a debate with Sen. John Kerry, then offered a not-so-subtle message about his personal candidate preferences. "I'm not going tell you who to vote for, but if you vote for this particular person, I question your salvation. I'm sorry." Kalnins added: "If every Christian will vote righteously, it would be a landslide every time." "

If you know that the Democratic Party is literally equated with the Party of Satan in the eyes of these groups, this starts to make a little more sense (in the topsy-turvy funhouse manner).


goes on to give more details re: the Joel's Army movement, and how Palin's Church is very involved in its exhortations for a Holy War and its calls for "god-warrioring" and to "cleanse and purify" the world of non-believers.


:scared: :scared: I don't want Palin anywhere NEAR the nuclear "button". :scared:



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ima_sinnic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:16 PM
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1. K&R--I'm an atheist but starting to think an exorcism is called for (nt)
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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:25 PM
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2. Did you say "God warrior?"
Couldn't resist. ;-)

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Shakespeare Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 04:25 PM
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3. dupe n/t
Edited on Wed Sep-10-08 04:26 PM by Shakespeare
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nichomachus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 05:18 PM
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4. You may be worrying about the wrong thing
I don't doubt these wacky beliefs underlie her way of thinking, but I'm more concerned that she has no concept of history, no knowledge of geopolitics, no appreciation of other cultures. Christ, she doesn't even know how the US works -- beyond the bullshit slogans and macho bullshit phrases. In other words, as president she would be the equivalent of a hyperactive five-year-old running around with a loaded automatic rifle.

She is abysmally ignorant and unimaginably dangerous.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 10:35 PM
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6. "She is abysmally ignorant and unimaginably dangerous".
Edited on Wed Sep-10-08 10:35 PM by kath
Agree. The woman is SO unsuited for the job, in every possible way.
That she should be nominated for VP is absolutely mind-boggling. And so to me was the concept that W could get even FIVE PERCENT of the vote, much less come close enough to steal it. :wtf:

This country is soooo ignorant, and so far gone. :banghead:
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-08 05:36 PM
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5. The environmental stuff worries me just as much
If you believe -- as Palin apparently does -- that the Second Coming will happen in your own lifetime, you're not going to worry much about the oil running out, or the polar bears going extinct, or the environment being degraded.

Even if you're merely a young-Earth creationist, who thinks the whole shebang started just 6000 years ago and won't have all that much longer to run, you're not going to be thinking long term. I haven't been able to find the reference again, but I'm pretty sure I read at some point that people who think that way also often believe that God carefully stocked the Earth with just enough oil to last for its allotted lifespan -- leading to the conclusion that we *can't* run out until we're no longer here to need it.

Palin can have all the nutty religious convictions she wants, and it's none of our business -- until they start to impinge on her policy positions. I'd really like to see her asked some of the questions that involve long-term planning -- such as her opinion on nuclear waste storage -- and see what pops out.



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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:16 AM
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7. Good comment on DailyKos:
"Palin, despite official disavowals, has kept a very close relationship with "Joel's Army" groups that are documentable to at least June 2008, and probably since. SPLC has a very good article on why this particular form of extremism is dangerous.

It would be a thousand times more dangerous with access to nuclear weapons, seeing as the end-time scenarios of many of these groups involve a nuclear war with Russia and/or Iran (typically with the US and Israel on one side, Russia and Iran on the other). This is something that potentially throws humanity, hell, non-prokaryotic life in serious jeopardy; I'd rather not have to have multicellular life re-evolve on the planet because McCain got elected, died in office, Palin got hold of the Nuclear Football, and tried to nuke Teheran or Moscow because she was convinced she and her fellow God Warriors (tm) would be Raptured Up first. :P

And yes, this is pretty much the potential stakes here. :P "
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 02:29 AM
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8. This deserves
not to sink:dem:
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 02:38 AM
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9. If you don't believe that there are crazies out there anxiously anticipating the end of the world,
check out this insane bunch. http://www.rr-bb.com/

They're fucking scary as hell.
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