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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 09:59 AM
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Do you feel like we're at a tipping point?
I still have hope that we can turn this nation around after eight years of the GOP's scorch-and-burn policies. It is a hard and difficult road that we face, but we're ready to tackle the challenges. I think that's why Obama's mantra of "Yes, we can" resonates with so many.

However, if they somehow manage to win/steal this next election, I think something will be irretrievably broken and lost and our downward spiral will continue at an accelerated pace.

Make no mistake. We are not in our present situation because they are incompetent. This is what they want -- the annihilation of the middle class, the return to the heyday of the robber barons and the company town. You will be either rich or poor or perhaps eke out somewhat of a better living by furthering their agenda.

I still have hope, but in four more years, I think our nation will move past the point of no return.

What's your perspective?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:03 AM
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1. We as a nation are holding that proverbial lone tree root
sticking out the side of the cliff that bu$h drove us over.
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texastoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:07 AM
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3. I can't top that
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 10:07 AM by texastoast
Beautifully put.

Even when Barack is in office, we have so much work to do it will take us no telling how long to put our nation back on the right path in relation to just about everything.

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bdamomma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:06 AM
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2. There are so many people out there who really have to realize
we have a true crisis in this country, and we have to rise to the occasion, and take things seriously.
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Winterblues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:08 AM
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4. Didn't you hear Britney's sister is pregnant?
Don't Worry, Be Happy....
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The Hope Mobile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:08 AM
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5. If they steal this one
This is not the country that I want to raise my kids in. However, 4 years ago we could have afforded to get out, now it would be extremely difficult. My husband has family in Canada and England so we have some options.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:09 AM
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6. I've lost hope but will continue the fight as long as I can.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:10 AM
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7. Obama can tip this whole election by ignoring the McCain personal attacks and start
...a focused and coordinated effort by his entire campaign to focus on the real issues America faces and offering specific solutions which will work to save this country from a complete collapse by a economic and financial breakdown.

No more Palin-gate, just hard hitting workable democratic solutions and sacrifices required to solve all the problems created by eight years of Bush/Cheney/GOP/Neocon lies, deceptions and fuck-overs, beginning with the latest international banker and hedge fund speculator bailout that will balloon the National debt from the $9.67 trillion it now sits at to over $23.5 trillion by the middle of 2010 based on four more years of BushCo polices under a McCain/Palin administration. That must be prevented with actions starting now!
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:17 AM
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11. No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
It's not the Republicans who distract voters from the real issues with trivial bullshit.

It's the voters themselves that care more about trivial bullshit than real issues.

That's what Obama simply refuses to admit.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:33 PM
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16. I agree
But the question is if he can bypass the media filter.
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Flarney Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:11 AM
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8. My fear is that Obama may share Carter's fate...
getting blamed for the economic shit-bomb planted by previous Republican administration that will make a mess of his first term. Obama needs to make it clear on his first day in office (if I may momentarily put the cart before the horse) that he is beginning the process of digging us out of a hole, not starting with a clean slate. He will need to hammer that point loudly and often if he wants to escape the trap.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:24 AM
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12. Part of me thinks
they are trying to lose this just for this very fact.

They created the mess and want the Dems to clean it up so they can take the blame.
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:11 AM
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If Obama wins
his hands are still tied until this massive debt is paid . I really don't have much hope left for healthcare etc.
If he loses , we are lost lost lost . The supreme court appointments will set us back to the dark ages as far as womens rights are cocerned
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demodonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:32 AM
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13. If we DON'T fix healthcare, it will just drag us down further and faster!

The unseen costs of our lack of healthcare for all are unbelievable.

Bankrupt families. Almost $1000 of every new car going to pay health "insurance" costs for the USA citizens who put it together. People who can't work due to having to care for family member because no other care is available. Suicides. Lost creativity. Lost time from work. Increased costs for states having to deal with the "uninsured" (no mention of the underinsured!)

It's a hell of a mess and if we don't fix it we are going to spiral down faster than ever.

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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:11 AM
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9. yes.
if McCain/Palin wins, we will have a talibornagain in office and McCain will die and, imo, we will be on our way to a civil war. we've been on our way to that for decades, actually, but Bush was such a horrible administrator he accelerated the entire process.

I honestly think we will have a civil war. A class war and a religious war tied into one.

I also think that, if McCain/Palin are elected, the rest of the world will basically throw up their hands and say... enough. you all are too stupid to be so powerful and various nations will work together to "disarm" the U.S. via economic tactics.

I don't think the rest of the world wants this to happen. I think the U.S. is forcing them to this, just as the U.S. is forcing a re-emergence of the cold war because the repukes are all about all war all the time.

I have not wanted to live here for the last 8 years. I am trying to find a way to leave but I haven't been able to find a job (here also, but still sending out resumes and just changed fields so that's what that's about...tho if the economy continues its eau de toilette spiral, who knows.)

Over the last 8 years I have learned to hate the right wing because I've heard what they have to say. I honestly hate "them." Not all republicans, but the religious right, basically, because they keep this country mired in bullshit instead of finding solutions.

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tedoll78 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:14 AM
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10. If we lose this one,
I feel like it'll be at least a generation before we begin to recover.

Of course, I'm mainly focused on the courts. A McCain victory increases the chances of having Ginsburg and Stevens replaced by right-wing robots, which means they'd hold a 6-3 lock on the high court for at least two decades, probably more. Even if we were to pass all sorts of liberal legislation in the years after a McCain term, all it would take is court challenges to knock-down our efforts, one law at a time.

If McCain wins and these nominations come to pass, I officially give-up. Until then, I will continue to care.
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RainDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:35 AM
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14. I think our economy requires an FDR intervention at this point.
the robber barons have fucked up so many things with their deregulations and with failing to hold corps accountable, the S&L and now banking scandals...

and yet assholes on the right continue to try to make the claim that this economy is great, that Bush's policies have been great for the economy. this is why I feel like my head will explode on a daily basis. so sick of the bullshit lies.

we also need that truth and reconciliation commission so that the right wing can no longer continue to lie to the American people w/o consequence.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 10:37 AM
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15. I feel like we may already be too late
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 10:40 AM by CitizenPatriot
in terms of the damage done to our democracy, but I am working my ass off for Obama's campaign and hoping with all of my might and every last shred of idealism I can muster up.

In the past year, I've been shocked and horrified to learn about the damage being done under the surface. One of the reasons our "Democratic Congress" has done so little, for example, is they literally have very little power these days. No one wants to hear that and no one wants to believe it. It is easier for us to stand back and rail at Pelosi. And I would join if I thought she were the problem. How I would love for it to be that simple. But sadly, without Obama in office, who has sworn to go over all of Bush's "signing statements" with an eye to getting rid of each and every one that violates the constitution, this country is no more.

Even with him in office, and assuming we get a majority in the senate, we still have the problem of the DoJ, with it's lifelong fundie hires. You notice how every action gets stopped.....right at the DoJ? They don't respond to Congressional subpoenas? They don't think electoin fraud is an issue, but spend millions on desperately trying to prove voter fraud (to no avail), etc. They are in charge of our civil rights. They are in charge of election fraud investigation.

See why it never goes anywhere? How could it?

Sure, Obama can appoint sane people to those political appointee positions, but the entire place is crawling with fundies now and they can't be fired,e ven though they were illegally hired.

If we don't win this one, I'm afraid it's over for this great country. We're running a sham of a democracy as it is; so far they are allowing us certain freedoms still because it is easier for them, but we know that underneath, we are no longer free Americans. We are not innocent until proven guilty. We are spied on, tear-gassed, homes investigated without a warrant, -- this isn't America.

We have the GOP ADMITTING they will be challenging the right to vote of people who were served foreclosure notices. Oddly, somehow the person being challenged seems to have no rights, even if they still live at their current address. But what no one even talks about is intent. Where is the outrage? The voter ID card, being signed up at your current address, these measures were supposedly put in place (by the politicized DoJ who had an agenda to reduce voter turn out) to reduce "voter fraud" -- again, voter fraud is so rare, the Republicans only found a few instances of it in one state and those people were not voting Democratic. What an irony. but you still hear them rail on as if illegals are storming the halls to vote. They're not. They're just as scared of the GOP as I am.

Back to intent-- so they are denying people the right to vote KNOWING that the issue is not that this person isn't who they say they are. They proudly and without shame admit using these hooks to hang people who they know will not want to vote Republican.

Where is the outrage? Nowhere in the constitution does it say you can vote if you haven't been foreclosed on. You can vote if you vote my way.

But we are so beaten down, we don't even ask anymore. We hear vague "is someone going to do something?" But no, no one is going to do anything because PEOPLE are doing things every day, but they ultimately have to take it up with the DoJ. The DoJ is NOT interested in fair voting or our civil rights! they won't be at all unless we get a sane person into office and we need a sane person in office to tell them to get back to work on the issues they are supposed to be working on and to stop wasting TAX dollars on political pursuit of "voter" fraud and investigating Dems right before elections.

GOBAMA

If they steal this one, I will be done and give up on this country with deep sadness. I hope to move somewhere safe, as I fear this country will become akin to MadMax. The inmates truly are running this asylum.

MAKE SURE EVERYONE YOU KNOW IS REGISTERED TO VOTE
VOTE EARLY IF YOU CAN IF YOU ARE A PERSON WHOSE RIGHT TO VOTE MIGHT BE CHALLENGED
IF YOU HAVE PROBLEMS ON ELECTION DAY, CALL THE OBAMA HOTLINE
CHECK YOUR REGISTRATION ONLINE

Stay strong, stay hopeful, stay tough -- YES WE CAN, YES WE MUST.
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eshfemme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 12:35 PM
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17. Everything you've said is what I would have said.
It's stupid but ditto.
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CitizenPatriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 01:34 PM
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18. thank you.
It is very important to know that we are not alone in these feelings. Hopelessness and despair are PART of the agenda. Depression leads to apathy and apathy leads to a compliant and unquestioning nation of drugged up, complacent people. Fahrenheit 451? TV walls as our "brothers and sisters"? A govt which delivers drugs to the people to keep them under control?

WE MUST WIN THIS ONE

It's not paranoia if they really are out to get you:-)
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northernlights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 01:42 PM
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19. I agree 100%
5 years ago I came within a couple points of being able to move to Canada. Last year I started hedging my bets when I started a health care training program that will hopefully enable me to get a job in many, many countries. Leaving may still be out of reach, due to my severely damaged financial situation plus I'm 5 years older (unless you're very wealthy, they much prefer younger immigrants in most countries) but I'll cross that bridge when I come to it.

I also agree that none of this was by accident. They do want a nation of a few elite and a bunch of serfs and hungry masses. Makes 'em feel better about themselves, I guess...
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