RAW STORY HAS IT! WHAT MCSAME COVERED UP

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Whistleblower_breaks_15year_silence_to_allege_0911.html

Whistleblower breaks 15-year silence to allege McCain hid wife's drug abuseNick Juliano
Published: Thursday September 11, 2008


Cindy McCain's addiction to prescription painkillers emerged into public view 14 years ago with a well-orchestrated PR campaign designed to preserve her husband's political future.

Aside from a lengthy contemporary investigation from Phoenix's alternative weekly and occasional mentions since then, the addiction back-story -- including ample questions about what John McCain knew, when he knew it and questions over whether he was complicit in the cover-up -- has gone largely untold. Until now.

Tom Gosinski, a former employee of the medical-aid charity Cindy McCain used as personal supplier of Percocet and Vicodin, is speaking out publicly for the first time.

On Wednesday, Gosinski sat down with RAW STORY and other outlets to tell his story and distribute copies of his personal journal from his time with the American Voluntary Medical Team in the last half of 1992, where he voiced ever more acute concerns and frustrations over McCain's drug use and its impact on her mood and job performance.

Obama is still facing a demented old geezer and a hockey mom. Let's face it, do we really want that to change?

I hope this is the last time this is posted. No one cared the first 5 times this morning.

as soon as someone there reads it in the NYT or the WaPo :rofl:

I suspect tomorrow. And I suspect that information not @ raw, but just a guess.

The mainstream news media whether print or broadcast has been a cowardly exercise in the last several years.

Remember...everyone would like to have a beer with good ole George

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without surety. Action puts possibilities in motion.

much if that is out there for McCain, but can be talked about in context of "two Americas" where the rich skate and the poor serve time.

Or maybe better is to use the opportunity to talk about "more of the same"...abuse of power by GOP and Bush has been RAMPANT AND OBVIOUS over the last eight years. We can tie McCain to that again.

Or we can talk about Palin abuse of power and talk about the ticket being above the law...trooper gate, son avoiding jail by going to Iraq, firing Librarian, etc.

But this topic needs help from the left and from the press...it won't get legs on its own even though it should.

is about the personalities, then this wrecks his argument.

You wasted our time hyping a bullshit nothing of a decade-old story based on the word of a disgruntled former employee who was involved in litigation with the McCains.

EPIC FAIL.

The details of this will show up the McCants for the hypocrites they are.

Grampy's tendency to cover up embarassments of his own once again he has bad judgment.

there you go - how's it feel - to you the story isn't important but it may be to others. You can ignore it - use hide a thread.

Asshole.

You know, I'm getting sick of DUers treating each other like shit. Why are we so hard on each other? We're supposed to be the good guys.

:eyes:

Same old people, same old game. Trolling the board, looking to start shit.

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I've seen this movie before. Sure, if it were Obama covering up Michelle's addiction it would be non-stop coverage on every network and the election would be over. But this is a total non-starter since it involves a Repub.

???

that nothing came from!

Really? Wait? Again?

Unless you are certain that WaPo has proof of obstruction of justice this story will go no where.

its old news unless theres more.

...and, being her husband, he helped keep it quiet.

Gee, I don't know how the Republican Party will ever recover from this.

:eyes:

can it get any legs, will people care?

Nothing here, We now embrace unwed teenage mothers and drug addicts. Thought everybody knew the new family values.

and won't bear mentioning on the teevee at all.

Nearly had a coronary from HAPPY GIDDY DANCING! :rofl:

Honestly, this little drama should end with a little forced time out.

Take a break until you get your perspective back.

Ok maybe not. But damn this is lame

this is going to get buried, swept under the rug, spun away

by tomorrow mccain will be on top of his WHAAAAAAAAambulance and whining about it...

the only way a "scandal" will hurt mccain, is if he's caught ON TAPE in bed with Palin and an underage male hooker - even then it's ify

i don't think most here know how damaging this is to McCain.
It's a witness and a Diary!

and this story will not go away if the net keeps up the talk about it - msm will have to cover it.

woot! thankyou!!!

by any means.

There is nothing new about this story except the charges that McCain knew and covered it up. A lot of people, not even politicians, react that way when a family member is an addict.

that's a little more than "keeping the family secret."

get his wife off the hook, to destroy a man's career in the desire keep his own political career intact and without taint. The truth can be hidden with money and political power.

teams; and/or if he was actually complicit in enabling or facilitating criminal activity by use of his office and position, that will be new news that can't be ignored. I just say there had better be evidence, and admissible evidence at that. I'm withholding judgment till I hear the reset of the story come out.

...?

Now that is a story!

yesterday and both confirmed that there was an "Alzheimers" story in the works. Who knows if it's true, or if we're being Rathered.

So, I'd say there's 2 crappy stories out their now. I mean C'mon, I heard a lot of, "it's about McCain and drugs". Give me a break.

Someone's gotta check the guy's prescription records.

campaign? Her drug use is already known. She looked high at the convention.

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8147
There are lots of unanswered questions, but the basic contours of the story are clear. John McCain used his position as a Senator to help his wife abuse illegal drugs and avoid being searched by customs, and somehow his wife managed to avoid any charges by the DEA or the state (which has mandatory minimums in cases like this) on drug charges despite ample evidence. Did the DEA or the state not file charges against her because of political pressure? Did they keep this on the Federal level to avoid mandatory minimums for Cindy McCain because of political pressure from McCain? Did John McCain and/or his Senate staff tamper with a criminal investigation of his wife and her conspiracy to fraudulently obtain illegal drugs?

Whether illegal or not, and an investigation by Congress should happen, this is clearly a massive and overreaching case of both corruption on a personal sordid level and an abuse of power. And you might be seeing Gosinski on mainstream media soon.

this story will get. After the last eight years, it's hard to have faith.

But if there was any actual proof someone would have used it against him a long time ago.

People don't give a shit about a 15 yr old story.

Hell, they don't care about what happened LAST WEEK.

The 24/7 news cycle makes this incredibly OLD news and hardly worth anything.

Sad, but true. Sigh. :(

who told me to STFU?:eyes:

the story isn't what I expected, but unlike you I wouldn't think of trashing another well-meaning Democrat.

Thanks lonestarnot. :hi:

Have a happy feet action anyway.

THIS is the "big deal?"

I am completely disgusted.

For this we were supposed to sign up for breaking news with the Washington Post?

You should really be ashamed of yourself.

You know, MOST VOTERS are going to at least partially empathize with McCain on this issue.

As another poster put it EPIC FAIL!

This thread is a great weeding tool.

:donut: :smoke:

type of "CRIMES". Think of how much political mileage people like McCain have gotten from bragging about fighting America's "DRUG PROBLEM". Think about how McCain may have abused his power to protect a member of his own family from being held accountable for the very same "Crimes that he was bragging about and campaigning on, having helped put other people in jail for years for.

The president of the United states should be a man of strong character who is trustworthy, honest and honorable. Anything less sets a bad example in the eyes of the country and the entire planet.

"Happened a long time ago" So did Whitewater, but the GOP never quit raising hell about it.

A pattern of GOP abuse of power RE: the "war on drugs?" Here is just one example:

Ashcroft's nephew got probation after major pot bust

Although his arrest for growing 60 plants could have landed him in federal prison, Alex Ashcroft was tried in state court and avoided jail -- despite his uncle's crusade for tougher federal drug laws and mandatory prison sentences...MORE

http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/01/12/ashcroft_nephew/print.html

And then there's Rush...

People with the ability the recognize bullshit when it's served to them as dinner?

Great weeding tool to find people who understand the current political climate and why this will get zero traction.

We all knew about Cindy's problem and knew her husband hushed things up.

Let's hope the Raw Story coverage gets it more broadly distributed.

But pushing a story like you did was really so very peculiar. Almost as though it was designed to discourage us.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7026102&mesg_id=7027277

Maybe this will get some traction in the MSM, but the hype has practically guaranteed that it won't get any traction on DU.

kinda makes this whole charade a little bit worthwhile.

That clip in your sigline is zOMG fucking brutal x(

it's just posted specially for this and another thread

:yoiks:

Really? FUCKING REALLY?!?!

All this hype and this is what you have? A captain obvious story about something that happened 15 years ago?

FFS...

I hope all the people you duped are felling stupid right now. They should be.

*PLUNK*

This is going to register about a .1 on the give-a-shit meter for the general public.

Stories with lines like

" like the time Cindy was allegedly taken to the hospital "

aren't going to stop the presses.

He will be painted as a disgruntled employee, the same as he was portrayed before. Sigh.

Hopes dashed again. :(

IOW...zip, nada, zero

Anything teased as much as this story was is obviously going to be BS.

The individual in this case maintained documents and was a witness to the events. He had every reason to be disgruntled and upset at what she did to the charity and it's workers. Stop trying to smear his character. This story is a non-issue since there never was and never will be proof of McCain's cover-up; but attacking the guy who fought Cindy for destroying the Charity is BS.

An overwhelming "thank you" for bringing this epic story to our attention. I'm sure it will change mankind in profound ways for centuries to come.

and re-shoot them!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7025420&mesg_id=7025420

Did McCain Tamper with the Drug Enforcement Agency to Protect His Career?
http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8147

it ain't gonna fly. This is arguably the most sympathetic audience on the net and if we can't get excited about the story it's old news. I understand you didn't have the details and were relying on someone's opinion you respect, but next time you might want to temper your enthusiasm. BTW, I hope you're right about this.

everything is a trap
fight back
NO DON'T fight back
Attack Palin
Don't attack Palin
Talk about the issues
Palin is the issue

More DUers think the Alzheimer story has more legs than this story where McSame tampered with the DEA to cover his ass

DUers are fucking crazy

one poll comes out and 50% think we are doomed, 20% think it is a RW trap, 15% thing we should fight back harder while another 15% think fighting back is what caused the dip in the poll

DUers are fucking crazy

lose by the whistle blower will be hitting the internet media of not the national media. This just goes to show that we are right about John McCain, that he is just as conniving as any other overly ambitious pol.

"... this is clearly a massive and overreaching case of both corruption on a personal sordid level and an abuse of power. And you might be seeing Gosinski on mainstream media soon."

Otherwise it's just the same old story that's told by the same old ex-employee everytime McCain comes up for re-election. Nobody fucking cares. If it can't even stay on the top of DU with constant re-posts, how is it possibly going to create some outrage in the general electorate?

The abuse of power angle is the meaty one. Where the McSame's seem to have gone after Gosinski in a retaliatory manner.

this newer revelation with a grain of salt. Some of us had not known such detail of Cindy McCain's drug use and nothing of a coverup by her errant husband. Perhaps some of McCains supporters will have their eyes opened and have reservations about helping to put a conniving power player in the WH.

a more important issue than her addiction.

At least I thought it was common knowledge. It seems to me I knew Cindy McCain was an admitted, recovered, prescription drug addict 15 years ago or so. I can't tell you where I first heard it, but I believe it was on tv (and I don't get cable, so it would have been broadcast tv). Anyway it isn't news. She isn't the candidate, and (apparently) she is off the drugs for some time now, so I don't know that this story is anything more than of the human interest variety.

Betty Ford had a drinking problem, did she not? How about any other first ladies? I'm not sure the husbands were judged about it one way or the other.

The buildup was a bit much. I'll wait and see what else comes out of it. Thanks, though.

THAT story got you excited?

Is that you Bev?

This has been known for ages. The average American doesn't give a hoot about things that happened 3 days ago, let alone 15 years. Moreover, as far as the average American sees it, Cindy paid her dues, her husband supported her and did what he did out of love and this guy is a disgruntled employee with an ax to grind against a POW and his wife who is both a recovering drug addict and stroke survivor. All in all, this does nothing to even any playing field.

the poor poor thing

That's all? For 80 threads in caps?????

Otherwise, the fact that she was addicted 15 years ago isn't exactly earth shattering.

that THAT is the real story here? Not necessarily Cindy's drug use.
John McCain another bully.

and perhaps illegal tactics to cover up this whole affair for the sake of his piddling political career. Have we become such a cynical nation that the truth has to be hidden for fear it won't be taken seriously?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7027477&mesg_id=7027477

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8147

of abusing their position of authority? Hmmmmmmmmm

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x7025083

There are 19 abandoned comments on a now-empty WaPo page...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2008/09/10/VI2008091002883.html

You can see them here...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/video/2008/09/10/VI2008091002883_Comments.html

:wtf:

Then why wipe it?
ay:wtf:

More crap swept under the rug that needs to see the light of day.

Bring him back to life and impeach him NOW.

The WaPo article disappearance is odd, and the comments that are still there indicate that was indeed the subject.

Is there something more than this guy's statement and diary? I'm disappointed by this as it stands now, but maybe your sources are aware of something truly deadly that hasn't been revealed yet?

Thanks! :hi:

Try this...
Link to DU topic on other article, hoping it helps people understand:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7027477&mesg_id=7027477

Link to reply upthread here, says same thing:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=3973947&mesg_id=3974225

way he took her out of the hospital didn't seem so much on the up and up. More to cover his embarrassment than to help her?

but I'm asking, essentially, if there is more than "implication" or "whether illegal or not, it should be investigated" types of things.

I'm wondering if there is DEA documentation, for example, or other PROOF of these allegations. Otherwise, I don't think it'll be the knock-down we were hoping for.

I cannot be more clear about the implications than some of the information on this thread. Go back on it and ignore the troll posts. Waiting and watching. :)

Thanks for heads up, we know you had the best of intentions and still hoping this story will somehow have legs. Just wishing it had been more. :argh:

First, if this was meant to be shocking and they wanted media attention for it, they wouldn't have released it on 9-11. Second, I hate to agree with everybody here, but this is a 15 year old scandal, and the repuke spin machine will spin this into the ground. If people aren't more upset at his ties to the Keating 5, they aren't going to be upset about this. Maybe they would have cared before Palin, but now Palin has taken over the campaign. I figured that he had covered for his wife, and have figured that since I first heard about the story several months ago.

Please tell me there is more. I believed in you, and I defended you, but unless there is more to it I don't see this as a giddy dance moment.

when they went after the Clinton's. Not only did they dig shit up they made shit up.

70 million dollars of our money wasted and Clinton left office with rather impressive favorability ratings.

But the difference IS.. the repiglithugs were on a witch hunt and made shit up = LIED (as is their M.O.) and ruined a lot of innocent lives along the way.

The McLameass story is different that is to say.. It's True. Pay ATTENTION!!!

McLameass used his power/influence to shield his wife's addiction to illegally gotten prescription drugs to save his own Lame Ass. An all too common repiglithug Mode of Operandi.

That's the sound this stinky fart of a story is making in on the happy giddy dancefloor.

will bump it off the headlines tomorrow and it will be lost over the weekend.

what a letdown. It's like going home with someone really hot and then they pass out! :rofl:

No story. Non-event. No impact. Bullshit windup.

EPIC FAIL!

It's not the crime, it's the coverup that took down Nixon.

This is less than a story, and the whole board looks stupid for the fucking hype generated. I got told off for not buying into this by many people; turns out the cynics were right, again.

EPIC FAIL!

Every lie, every deceitful act reported, builds up.

good god, get a grip.

if this is all it takes to make you dance, then here's another one, nixon lied. OH MY GOD!!! TIME TO DANCE!!!

I knew from the start this was all colossal bullshit.

:banghead:

for having the sense to see it's nothing.

Seriously, this fucking wild goose chase generated so much traffic it put the board into Defcon 3 or whatever and wound everybody up for nothing. How many threads did she start with her ALL CAPS HYPERBOLE!!!!???

This is THE LAWYERS SAVING THE WORLD? This is the game-changer?

I don't fucking think so.

it's nothing but roomer mongering and the internet equivalent of yelling fire in a theater.

How do you think this will play to the general public? BIG YAWN at most, if they even see the story at all. I doubt people will even see it though.

What major media would even bother with it? It might make a couple of online websites, but won't come close to TV news.

However, it looks like it was scrubbed from the Washington Post. Not sure if the MSM thinks this has legs or not, esp happening 15 years ago.

of catastrophic proportions to hit the press.

Little giddy dance little giddy dance!

This is all over the news!

Obama will get a 5 point bump out of this one!

Sorry, folks, but if McCain can callously discard his first wife after her accident and call his present wife a c*nt in public with little or no impact on the trajectory of his candidacy, this story isn't going to do a thing to halt his momentum, especially since a huge number of Americans appear to believe that "sticking up for your family" trumps "obeying the law."

would make anybody use. You'd want to be numb 24/7. She still looks like she is. BUT I would LOVE to see McCain go down for this. What concerns me is that WaPo removed it. Will they ever put it back up or did they get the major slapdown?

I would feel sorry for her if she was an innocent wife deserted by her husband who fooled around and so started taking drugs to cope.

But this is a woman who stole someone elses husband then paid for his first public office in congress...

So I don't feel too sorry for her. She made her bed and now has to lie in it.

but there's no way he can be pleasant to wake up to :puke:

Lets stop attacking people and start talking issues so our side can win. Who wouldn vote for bo after hearing how different our vision is for the economy, war, etc. no one cares if Cindy McCain is a druggie or not. Talk issues!!!

Nada, Nothing.

This story is boring even here amongst us. It's not even on the radar for national coverage.

It's Negative Story. It's the Black Hole of stories; it actually sucks the story out of any issue that gets too close to it. It drains the surrounding environment of all story until nothing is left but a vast empty expanse of

EPIC FAIL.

Maybe that's what came out of that super-collider.

...Karl Rove's grand jury indictment.

Thanks for nothing.

especially someone who was being illegally used by Cindy McCain to obtain drugs in his name and could have faced charges for that? HEllo?

Clearly he wasn't being vindictive, since he approached the DEA with a "what if" scenario and did not go public with the info.

I think it's horrible the way we intimidate people who come forward with things; his journal clearly shows someone who was concerned for the lives of the entire family. It's called ethics.

Maybe this story will go nowhere but I think it is a total shame to condemn this man and write him off as an angry ex-employee. His career was ruined by them a long time ago -- AFTER he expressed concern about his own complicity in illegal drug procurement.

The war on drugs? oh, right. That's just for show and just for the poor people. We throw them in jail.

and does absolutely nothing to push the ball forward.

its how the mccain team will characterize him and its what the public will probably think since they won't have anything more to cause them to think otherwise -- 15 year old story and all that.

I didn't know that. For some reason, I thought this all happened before they were married or something. Oh, well.

...at a single-sourced story.

If this is real, big-time media won't touch it without independent confirmation. So far, it's a pleasing story, but no more than that.

but I also see a conditioned response to the Dems being chastised constantly as attacking for political reasons.

If this were Obama, what would be happening right now?

OUTRAGE. he would probably lose over this.

And it doesn't appear to be single-sourced, if the DEA was indeed involved.

I have no stake in following up on this story; but I do have a stake in equality and the law. I object strongly to the cowering position we have been put in at the feet of the GOP while they lie, cheat and steal their way through our country.

illegal activity occurred. People who didn't have influence would have been in jail for this.

:rofl:

Hehe

be officially blocking lonestarnot, just based on this contrived over reaction piece of colossal bullshit that tied up DU for absolutely no good fucking reason.

good riddance.

that it appears that McShame covered for Heather Wilson's office in the Abramoff investigation.

Agree with everything else you said.

What a piece of work he is.

I was here almost all day yesterday. How did he "cover" for her office--redirect the investigation, or...?

If there's a link (I can never get the search function to work) I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks!

somebody was spamming the board with stupid hints and hype about THIS bullshit.

or for the whole of DU.

I am but one of many here that LOVE lonestarnot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So There

I mean, after it was supposed to break at The Washington Post yesterday, of course?

and "the DEA probe was completely secret; none of it was public record." and "Maricopa County attorney Richard Romley, a political ally of McCain, and asked him to investigate Gosinski for extortion."


Also a pug Rick Romley. I can remember how scared everyone was here when he was elected.

"Although the federal investigative materials were not public, the county investigative materials were. Romley launched an investigation, and one of the first things his people did, naturally, was ask the feds to turn over their investigative materials."


The whistleblower is and was at the time a pug.

"at the time, defense lawyers told New Times that if Cindy McCain had been a poor minority and not married to a U.S. senator, she likely would have been locked up."

"And only a handful of people remember the details of Cindy McCain's 1994 "outing" for drug addiction and drug pilfering, and the work of the McCain machine to protect her."

"But both of Cindy McCain's staged, teary drug-addiction confessions have been vintage John McCain. His MO is this: Get the story out -- even if it's a negative story. Get it out first, with the spin you want, with the details you want and without the details you don't want."

"McCain did it with the Keating Five, and with the story of the failure of his first marriage (Cindy is his second wife). So what you recall after the humble, honest interview, is not that McCain did favors for savings and loan failure Charlie Keating, or that he cheated on his wife, but instead what an upfront, righteous guy he is."

"Candor is the McCain trademark, but what the journalists who slobber over the senator fail to realize is that the candor is premeditated and polished. John McCain shoots from the hip -- but only after carefully rehearsing the battle plan, to be sure he won't get shot himself."

"This is the story of a time that strategy backfired, and yet the McCain machine still managed to contain the damage." And just how did he do that I wonder? And the story looms like a Vietcong over a POW. POW Batman!


http://www.salon.com/news/feature/1999/10/18/drugs/

in a real world, this may have been real news, but my disappointment on this "revelation" was that I know that newsworthy or not, the corporate media will give McSame a pass on this, just like they have all election season. The net result is that it will be a non story.

That of course would not be the case if we were talking about Michelle Obama instead of Cindy.

need to blow your nose, have a look at what the focus of America is really on today (it is 9/11 nimrod and we do have a cat 3 hurricane about to blow TX off the map), and then fall-in or get the fuck out! edit for :patriot:

Okay, but he was also someone who mccain fired, which is what the public will have drilled into his head.

I checked out gosinski on open secrets and i couldn't find any record of him giving a dime to any candidate since 1992. If he had been throwing money at McCain and/or other repubs in the past, then we'd have a comeback to attacks on his credibility. But he seems like a small fry otherwise.

In a sane world, this story would be all over the news.

Unfortunately, perhaps we do not live in a sane world.

You all know that if this were about Obama, this fucking thing would be growing hair, teeth, legs and eyeballs...and would be talked about 24/7 on the MSM.

You all know that if this were about Obama, this fucking thing would be growing hair, teeth, legs and eyeballs...and would be talked about 24/7 on the MSM.

Absolutely. But it's not about Obama, it's about McCain, and therefore will be dutifully ignored. Liberal media my left nut.

ABUSE OF POWER, CAN MCCAIN BE TRUSTED?
ABUSE OF POWER, CAN MCCAIN BE TRUSTED?
ABUSE OF POWER, CAN MCCAIN BE TRUSTED?
ABUSE OF POWER, CAN MCCAIN BE TRUSTED?
ABUSE OF POWER, CAN MCCAIN BE TRUSTED?

See how it works?
WE make it a story.
WE tell everyone we know.
WE email news organizations.

But it won't. You know as well as I do, we could each write 1000 letters to each media outlet. "Lipstick on a pig" non-issues are FAR more important to our dear media. Any attempt by Democrats to make an issue of this will be written off as abusing a former addict who has apologized and made amends. How DARE we?!?! :sarcasm:

and though I despise her, I'm kind of got the mindset that unless ones spouse has committed a serious crime agaisnt others (fatal DWI anyone?) its kind of out of bounds to attack the spouse or children of candidates.
Think about this..Obama has acknowledged using drugs..and its pretty much a non-issue now. But it was with Clinton.
Pushing this story will only gain SYMPATHY for Cindy McCain as it is NOT her qualifications we are voting on..besides its fifteen years old. To think that people got all riled up about this..A waste of time and effort.
Pushing this story also smacks of RW smear tactics..we shouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole.

Pushing this story will only gain SYMPATHY for Cindy McCain as it is NOT her qualifications we are voting on..besides its fifteen years old. To think that people got all riled up about this..A waste of time and effort.

Bing freaking O.

It's about the fact that McCain and his office worked to get Cindy a Diplomatic Passport and covered up all of the shenanigans...

So you see, it's now about John as well as Cindy...

:)

As far as sympathy goes... do you have any idea how CRUELLY she treated this Gosinski fellow who worshipped her?

:shrug:

"... this is clearly a massive and overreaching case of both corruption on a personal sordid level and an abuse of power. And you might be seeing Gosinski on mainstream media soon."

http://www.openleft.com/showDiary.do?diaryId=8147

So how will this sink him?

:puke:

BUT :/sigh:... I have to agree when he says, the best indicator of future behaviour is past behaviour... Or something along those lines.

I really do, but I guess I've just grown so cynical in regards to MSM that I cant see it right now.

you think he's terrified that the McLiar just may become CiC and feels he has to do all he can to put a stop to it? That's the ony thing I can come up with, otherwise why wait all this time. Last desparate measure to save the country, I'd say.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=7027295&mesg_id=7027295
Thank you berni_mccoy for an excellent summary of it.

Stay on it please! I have to go! Will check-in throughout the day! :hug: :hi:

Amateurs.

A 15 year old story based on the hearsay claims of an ex-employee doesn't make a clear case for anything.

but this is pretty Lame!!

Or do you mean tomorrow like today on Good Morning America?

:D Now get on your reverent knees and have some respect for those of us trying to fucking recover what left of America!

This is the political equivalent showing up for a Metallica concert and seeing two guys playing air guitar.

:rofl:

but that doesn't mean his analogy wasn't dead on. No need to be abusive.

No one hopes more than I do that this is McCain's undoing. There's got to be a lot more there that what is currently being reported though.

:P

How bout you, you can't wait to withhold judgment until tomorrow after 9/11 either? You of all people w/o a McSame to smack down any drug convictions in your life. I am really surprised.