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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 02:33 PM
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Kucinich Truth and Reconcilliation Commission
"Before the Congress adjourns, I will bring forth a new proposal for the establishment of a National Commission on Truth and Reconciliation, which will have the power to compel testimony and gather official documents to reveal to the American people not only the underlying deception which has divided us, but in that process of truth seeking set our nation on a path of reconciliation."

<snip> from Kucinich op-ed


http://kucinich.us/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2430&Itemid=1

I wonder what the "Democrats" in office will do to sink this vital action like they have all the others. Of course the Republicans and their propaganda media will smear it.

We need an opposition party before it's too late, if it's not already. Dennis and a few others are all I can stomach supporting anymore. Hurray for Kucinich, and may history tell the truth!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 02:35 PM
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1. K&R for Dennis Kucinich, a man of honor and true patriot. n/t
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dhpgetsit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 02:37 PM
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2. Kucinich is SO awesome!!! EOM
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 02:39 PM
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3. I bet Nancy will take this "off the table"
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 02:39 PM by Double_Talk_Express
Along with our leadership, which is full of DLC ("Democratic" Liars & Crooks) and Blue Dogs. Booooooo!
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 02:45 PM
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5. Pelosi has taken the rule of law, ethics, Bill of Rights < off the table
We need to get these wolves in sheep's clothing the hell out of the former Democratic Party.

Really, wake up America.
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 02:48 PM
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6. Agreed 100%! Nancy and the leadership are full of corporate shills.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 02:43 PM
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4. k&r
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Newsjock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 02:49 PM
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7. This could be the one thing that saves this nation from another civil war
We are divided like no other time in the past 150 years, and only extraordinary measures will prevent us from descending into violence. A truth and reconciliation commission will out all of the evil people who have brought this nation to the brink of destruction. And that is precisely why this Congress will never let it happen.

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pleah Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 02:53 PM
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8. K&R I wish him luck, he is going to need it.
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MadrasT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 02:53 PM
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9. WOOT for Dennis!
Never give up! You are my hero! :applause: :woohoo: :patriot:
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Psyop Samurai Donating Member (873 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 03:23 PM
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10. Thank you for posting. nt
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Fireweed247 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 03:27 PM
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11. K&R
:applause:
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 03:48 PM
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12. K&R Kucinich is talking about 9/11, and the truth about how it has been
abused. We're all victims of this despicable, criminal act which has all the ear marks of a false flag operation. NO ONE has been held accountable for the "errors" of that day. Not one person. Considerable evidence has been accumulated showing what government and media have told us is NOT the whole truth. I still don't understand how so many intelligent and insightful DUers can see that this administration has LIED to the American people about EVERYTHING -- except 9/11. I don't want to hear the "incompetence" theory. If this was a false-flag operation it was carried out with military precision and was NOT thought up by *. However, it was necessary to have this particular ape in the WH to make sure that the neocon program would follow on as intended. The REAL terrorists have yet to be identified.

I agree with Kucinich's call for a Truth and Reconciliation commission to look into this matter -- what actually happened and who was really behind it. I believe this is the only thing that might save our country and reconcile us with the global stage.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 04:16 PM
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13. Here
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 04:17 PM by mmonk
Dear Friend,


We suffer in our remembrance of 9/11, because of the terrible loss of innocent lives on that grim day. We also suffer because 9/11 was seized as an opportunity to run a political agenda, which has set America on a course of the destruction of another nation and the destruction of our own Constitution. And we have become less secure as a result of the warped practice of pursing peace through the exercise of pre-emptive military strength.
It is not simply 9/11 that needs to be remembered. We also need to remember the politicization of 9/11 and the polarizing narrative which followed, locking us into endless conflict, a war on terror which has wrought further terror worldwide and which has severely damaged our standing worldwide as an honorable, compassionate nation. As we were all victims of 9/11, so we have become victims of the interpretation of 9/11.
Before the Congress adjourns, I will bring forth a new proposal for the establishment of a National Commission on Truth and Reconciliation, which will have the power to compel testimony and gather official documents to reveal to the American people not only the underlying deception which has divided us, but in that process of truth seeking set our nation on a path of reconciliation.

The truth can move us forward, as a unified whole, so that we can one day become a re-United States. 9/11 is the day the world changed. It is the day America embraced a metaphor of war. If we are open to truth and reconciliation, we may one day be able, once again, to embrace peace.

Read full article here.

In peace,


Dennis J Kucinich



He hits it on the head about the politicization. We will need this commission or this country will remain and become more divided.
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:06 AM
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14. The thing about Dennis is
that he has been right all along. Hell now I'm thinking maybe there really are UFO's.
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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:18 AM
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16. No one has ever seen god
but a lot of people believe he exists.

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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:47 AM
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18. Yep.
And they aren't publicly ridiculed for it.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:10 AM
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15. Another appreciative K&R for Kooch
Guess I really am part of the loony left. DK is about the only politician who earns my respect consistently.
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Kitty Herder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:26 AM
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17. If John McCain is looking for a definition of honor, he should look at Dennis Kucinich as a living
example of TRUE honor.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 08:57 AM
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19. Cong. Brad Miller Has Already Offered Similar Legislation
I give Congressman Kucinich props for calling for accountability, but I see a more realisitic proposal that was introduced by Congressman Brad Miller:

http://www.ncdp.org/content/rep-brad-miller-introduces-contempt-congress-legislation

Washington D.C. – Congressman Brad Miller (D-NC) today introduced legislation to allow Congress to ask for a special prosecutor for criminal Contempt of Congress charges against executive branch officials.

“The law explicitly requires the Justice Department to present Contempt of Congress charges to the grand jury, but the Bush Administration claims Congress can not compel a U.S. attorney to prosecute contempt cases where the White House claims executive privilege,” said Rep. Miller. “Other presidents have made bodacious claims about their powers, but always compromised in the end. No president, not even Nixon, has gone this far before.”

In February, the House approved contempt citations against White House Chief of Staff Joshua Bolten and former White House Counsel Harriet Miers for ignoring subpoenas in the investigations into the firings of U.S. attorneys for political reasons. However, the U.S. Attorney, at the direction of the President, refused to prosecute the contempt citation. More recently, House Judiciary Committee Chairman John Conyers, Jr. (D-MI) issued a subpoena to former White House Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove for testimony about politically motivated prosecution of prominent Democrats.

Under Congressman Miller’s bill, the Special Criminal Contempt of Congress Procedures Act, a federal court can appoint an independent “Special Advocate” to investigate and prosecute alleged Contempt of Congress charges passed by the House of Representatives against current and former executive branch employees, when the Justice Department fails to do so. Like the expired Independent Counsel statute, the Special Advocate established by Miller’s bill would technically work for the Attorney General, and thus be an employee of the executive branch. In practice, the Special Advocate would be largely independent from both the executive and legislative branches and not subject to undue political influences. Unlike the former Office of Independent Counsel, the Special Advocate would have a specific mandate, a finite budget, and a fixed two-year term of office.



Let's get behind one plan...and I like the concept of naming a Special Prosecutor or "advocate"...take the investigations out of the hands of the legislative and to a rejuvenated Judiciary backed with a cleaned out Justice Department. Let this be an independent investigation...and then if legislative action is needed, to work off a referral based on criminal charges...avoid any taint of it being political and partisan.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:03 AM
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20. I'm scared a special prosecutor can be given too narrow of a task.
I'd rather have a Truth Commission with the right to subpoena. It should be made congruent to the charges put forth through Kucinich's impeachment articles.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:15 AM
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21. I Have Similar Concerns About Politicians
I want a true criminal prosecution...politicians, as we've seen, are not equipped to handle such things. Remember that this regime has defanged the Judiciary over the past 7 1/2 years...turning the DOJ into a political tool and using "executive privilidge" to further muddy things. I've heard both Senators Leahy and Biden talk about getting to the bottom of a lot of the coruption and crimes and a rebuilt and energized DOJ using this to restore their independence. Personally, I'd love to see Pat Fitzgerald appointed...or David Igelsias...career prosecutors who saw how the Justice system was perverted and keep it from being a political football. Then, with evidence and convictions in hand, go to Congress for defacto impeachment and further actions to prevent such abuses in the future. I want more than truth...I want REAL justice...and you won't get that from politicians.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:32 AM
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22. I have the same concerns.
That's why I say the investigations should be congruent with Kucinich's articles and not narrowed.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 09:57 AM
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23. I See It Widening...
I've been refering strictly to the criminal acts of this regime...the individuals who need to be held accountable for a long list of crimes...including referals for War Crimes. The job of doing the real digging on the individual front...on a referral from Congress (thus the Independent prosecutor) and/or grand jury, would be one part of a far broader cleansing that is so desperately needed.

Congress and the Senate will also have a role to play...in restoring the balance of power and dealing with the political issues and crimes. These work in concert with the Judicial, but are on a far broader scope. I see the need for a new Church commission to dig into the issues of habeus corpus, illegal wiretapping and other civil rights violations...yet another focus on the abuse of the military and intelligence that led to the mess that is Iraq, yet another into the economic messes that destroyed the economy...from the bank collapses to oil speculation to outsourcing and so on. As you can see, there's a lot of ground to cover...not one that we already have precedence and structure to do.

I also see Joe Biden as a great asset...like another LBJ with his legislative experience (especially with Judiciary) to coordinate with the House & Senate...there's a lot of fixing to be done.

Again, I applaud Congressman Kucinich for keeping attention on the need to hold this regime accountable...and I hope it's also a call for those of us who want to see real justice, to work to get Senator Obama elected as well as creating larger majorities in both houses that can make these resolutions move forward.

Cheers...
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upi402 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 03:49 PM
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24. and the Truth and Reconciliation commission would make recommendations
and provide discovered evidence that could be a foundation for a trial.
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