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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:35 PM
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With threat of stolen elections hanging over us still....
Edited on Thu Sep-11-08 11:35 PM by defendandprotect
why have Dems done so little--?
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:36 PM
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1. you want to take the my tinfoil hat off
it feels tight, but I could certainly share my theories

None of them nice
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:38 PM
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2. Please do. I do not understand this either.
I spoke with some DNC people and they are not focused on it. There are several lawsuits. Their attitude seems to be that it takes too long to deal with it... and they hope for a landslide. aarg
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:46 PM
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5. Deep down nobody wants this mess
that is number one

Number two, not popular round these parts, after a certain level in government... they ain't working for you and me, but for the corps.

Number, three.... they are hoping that their landslide comes to be, not realizing that this is a perfect recipee for stealing... the mechanism are in place... and in effect... see polls.

If this race is close... I'll gladly eat my hat (just going from new registrations)
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:50 PM
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6. Check out these polls, not so great on my favorite poll page

Obama's numbers are way down in the EV count here, yikes

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

I prefer this one:

http://election-projection.net/
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:54 PM
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7. I'll share mine
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:00 AM
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9. That one is good for Obama
What's up with fiveThirtyEight.com

Worse every day for Obama, maybe best not to read it.

I want to put together a megathread about voter fraud / election fraud and how to participate until November.

Here's a good link list:

http://electiondefensealliance.org/what_you_can_do_defend_election_08

It's something, but the MSM has got to help out. They have to jump on these stories.

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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:41 AM
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11. Don't we still have a whole forum on this here?
Look in Research section...
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:54 AM
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13. They're part of the problem
we have had two major coups... you expect them to cover the third one before it happens?
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 01:03 AM
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14. The few that do... and the respectable blogs, etc.
The word seems to be getting out quicker this time.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:42 PM
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3. great fucking question! this drives me INSANE! n/t
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flamingdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 02:21 AM
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15. kick
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:43 PM
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4. I wonder why 'we the people'
have done so little. Rush Holt recently introduced yet another bill that would provide federal funding to any state that would like to add paper or standard audits to their voting systems. It would be optional, but unless people in their own state hold their state officials responsible for the voting system their state uses nothing will be done. The following site shows which voting systems are used in each county in each state.

http://www.verifiedvoting.org/index.php
Verified Voting: Mandatory Manual Audits of Voter-Verified Paper Records

The map below shows progress to date in our campaign for verifiable elections. Step 1 of our strategy has been to make sure that there is a paper record of every vote and that voters are able to verify the accuracy of that record before the ballot is cast (that paper record is called a "Voter-Verified Paper Record" or VVPR).

VerifiedVoting.org, our partners, and voters across the country have successfully persuaded the majority of state governments to pass legislation or establish regulations to require VVPR. 31 states, with more than half the U.S. population, now have such a requirement. We need your help to make sure the voters in the remaining 19 states are protected, through Federal or state legislation.

But we need to do even more to ensure that the results of elections are verifiable. Voter-verified paper records are most effective when used as the basis for mandatory manual audits in randomly selected precincts. Step 2 of our strategy is to encourage states to adopt laws or regulations requiring such mandatory manual audits of the VVPRs. As the map below shows, 18 states have such a requirement now. We need your help to pass laws in the remaining 32 states to require such audits.
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punkin87 Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-08 11:54 PM
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8. Some scary crap.
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EC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:38 AM
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10. I think with the Judges, Secretarys of States appointed by Bush and
every option pretty much closed to them to rectify it they have to work under the radar until we have more control...I do think they are working on it though, since I've seen here in WI where we do still have some control we are keeping the wolves at bay so to speak and able to shut down most attempts that have been tried here...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 12:50 AM
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12. Because it's their job to win elections. It's our job to hold clean ones. n/t
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