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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:18 PM
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Despair in Texas

No, it is not the on-coming hurricane Ike – whose cloud bands even now grow overhead, whilst the wind is starting to rise up here at our place – to which I refer.

Certainly Ike will leave misery, anguish, devastation, and death in its wake; but more frightening is that it is becoming clear that the brilliant Republican choice for VP is going to put the presidential election close enough so that it can, once again, be stolen. It is even possible that they could win it outright (not that they will take that chance).

In most of the polls matching Democratic candidates against various republican candidates Senator Obama repeatedly was found to have the least chance of winning. Senator Clinton had the next worst chance. My pick, Edwards, generally came out well ahead. As it turns out, he was not the best candidate. It was not his immorality and heartlessness that was so shocking (he is, after all, a politician) but his incredible stupidity and recklessness in not being able to keep his pants zipped up even when running for president.

The bitter Democratic primary fight ended in Senator Obama achieving a goal: He won, and he is the first black presidential major party candidate in American history. Sadly, he will also be the first major party black presidential candidate to loose an election.

It did not have to be that way.

A Clinton-Obama ticket, though not what I wanted, would have won by a large enough margin that it is unlikely that a theft could have been pulled off. However, faced with that ticket (which the candidates, oddly, rejected early on in the primaries either as C-O or O-C. Humm. Why was that?), I expect that one, or the other, of them would have been assassinated, or there would have been a ‘terrorist’ attack which would have resulted in the election being put off.

Something would have happened. The Republicans cannot let their bloody hands slip from the levers of power. Too many of them would end up in prison. But it is not really the Republicans.

As anyone who has read my comments before knows, I am an unapologetic tin-hatter. Not because of voices I hear in my head, but because of the decades that I have watched the unfolding of history during my lifetime.

I thus believe that the dichotomy between the two major US parties is a false one. Each is controlled by the same rich and powerful people who control the Western world. Each represents the interests of the powerful, against the rest of us. However, as I have said before, I prefer the illusion of democracy offered by the Democrats, to the crude theo-fascism of the modern Republican party.

The elections are, in my opinion, decided long before voting day. I do think that Bill Clinton’s presidency was a mistake – The Powers (what else can they be called?) did not realize how fed-up with Republican demagogy the nation was. He was supposed to run, but he was supposed to lose. 2000 was their last shot. Had not the Republicans found the courage and the will to openly execute a (mostly) bloodless coup using their creatures on the Supreme Court, they would have vanished for a generation.

But, that is what philosopher’s call a ‘counterfactual’, a look at what might have been. The harsh reality is that our government was seized by a coup d'état – there is no other word for the ‘extralegal’ transfer of power to Bush. Still, one could argue, as do such, that the presidency was simply taken by right by those best fitted to govern.

The Powers took no chances in the 2004 election. Both candidates were from the same powerful secret college society (I am not making this up – research it yourself – surely some is hype, and some is true) which has produced a remarkable number of leaders in our government. Even so, it was recognized that Bush’s War was not popular, that fellow Bonesman Kerry might win if he ran on a strong anti-war platform. Accordingly, early in the campaign, Kerry made it explicit that he would have done exactly the same as Bush in pursuing the mideast war(s). At the time I thought he had accidentally shot himself in the foot. Later, I concluded that the self-inflicted wound was deliberate.

Look too at our Speaker of the House. She insured Bush would stay in power by, again, early on, explicitly stating that Bush and Cheney were safe from impeachment – impeachment demanded by any realistic reading of the US Constitution and federal laws.

This time around, Senator Obama was a safe choice to head the Democratic ticket. Not only because of his weak showing in the pre-convention polls (against Republicans), but because the US is still a racist country, and they expect that he will run and lose. Of course, they thought that of Bill Clinton too, but Senator Obama does not have to lose, he only has to win by a small enough margin that slight corruption of the vote totals will allow them to ‘win’. They have learned from the Clinton miscalculation.

In any event, Texas (my state) never would have gone for Obama. To put it bluntly, Texans simply have not grown enough from the not-so-long ago days of Jim Crow that they will vote for a black for president. Expect this is true of the rest of the white South, and likely true of more of the rest of the country than anyone is going to admit.

So where am I going with this? I am not really sure.

I think that I am in despair because the choice of Palin is proving to be a brilliant one. The day she was announced, virtually all of my fellow workers – all of whom are right-wingers – were angered and felt that they had been insulted. Several even said that they would vote for Obama as a result of their party’s have chosen such an unqualified candidate.

Now, after a week or so in the spin-machine that is our national press, they are going on about how she really has a lot of administrative experience (much more than Obama’s “105 Days” – a number that must have been in the spin machine), that she had really turned her little town around (like leaving it 20 or 30 million in long term debit), had stood up to Big Oil, had opposed Pork Projects (The bridge to nowhere gets mention. En passant, having lived in SE, Ketchikan is not, quite, nowhere), has strong Family Values (favors forced delivery), is a Working Mom, etc, etc.

The upshot: They are all energized with their party again, and I am depressed.

Truly, it is more like Palin-McSame, than the converse. My little microcosm seems to be being repeated throughout the Red States, if not the Blue. As the world’s leading conservative-rag (The Times – sorry WSJ, you just don’t cut it) reports …

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/us_elections/article4740955.ece


"She's one of us": Palin wins over Obama women
Sarah Palin’s hockey mom appeal is winning over white female voters from Barack Obama

Jessica Goral had pretty much made up her mind two weeks ago: she was going to vote for Barack Obama. Then John McCain picked Sarah Palin as his running mate.

“She empowers a lot of women,” says Mrs Goral, a mother of two in Macomb County - a national bellwether in the battleground state of Michigan and an area rich in white, working class swing voters who will play a major role in deciding November’s election.
“I like that she’s a brand new mother, and that she has the courage to stand behind her pregnant daughter. She relates to working women. For all of us who have children at home but have to go to work every day – she has given us a sense that we can still do it and can still be an excellent mum.

“Sarah Palin is a role model …


Over-stated? Un-representative? Sure. But it is close enough to the truth that it will put them close enough to steal the presidency. Which, of course, is why they picked her.

The last semi-free US presidential election occurred in The Year of Our Lord 2000. In that time God looked down on an America beset with sin, sodomy, femi-nazis, and democracy and so caused George W. Bush to be raised up as the first Holy Protector of The Homeland of Jesus. Verily He appointed W-the-First to rule over His Nation, and to set us on His road to being the God-Fearing New Freedom™ Nation we are today.

It has happened.

Hurricane Ike’s devastation will be trivial compared to this.

I say this even though I know that Galveston has NOT, in spite of the news reports, been adequately evacuated, the number of lives that will be lost there, pale in comparison to the number of people who will die as a result of (the upcoming) Palin presidency.

When the hurricane hit Galveston in 1900 about two-thirds of a branch of my ancestors were killed. This time I am hoping that all survive (none are actually on Galveston, but all are in the Eastern Lone-Star).

Speaking of Ike. Need to go check the yard again.

Ciao.
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HCE SuiGeneris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:20 PM
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1. Wish I could read that color of text...
looks like it might be an interesting perspective.
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:42 PM
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8. Sorry. Life is not black and white
The way I am feeling now, the color is integral to the message.

Easy enough though to copy it as text.

I am guessing though, that you will not appreciate the perspective.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:22 PM
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2. Palin is a walking fustercluck! Don't worry about her
Hillary would NOT help the ticket. Sorry, she is NOT change. Biden really isn't all that good either.

Change means someone NEW.
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NC_Nurse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:25 PM
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3. The lady quoted in the article sounds like an idiot. If she changed her mind
without even knowing anything about the candidate and decided "she's one of us" on absolutely NO basis other than gender, she may change it back anyway. Obviously ANYTHING could have changed her mind because she not THINKING. I doubt most people are that duped, I really do.

Give it time. People like her have a VERY short attention span, if something Palin does in the next few weeks bugs her then she's just as likely to change back. The press honeymoon is over. She's going to start looking less appealing shortly. Hang in there.
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:25 PM
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4. My wife said she can't believe that many women are goo goo over Palin.
Who knows?
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Wednesdays Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:49 PM
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13. Chances are, those women would have been "goo goo" about anyone
In other words, they're die-hard repukes, even if they don't admit it.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:28 PM
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5. I understand your depression...
However, things are changing. Really.

Everyone was surprised at Sarah Palin. She exceeded expectations with her speech at the Convention. However,
all she did was give a speech. The nation can only be dazzled by a speech for so long.

The polls currently reflect McCain's Convention bounce and some of the post-Convention spark about Palin.

I do agree that the media is glomming onto this "Palin as Godsend" meme, and that is also helping to prop up the
Convention bounce.

However, please remember, that the polls are pretty much even. That's not saying much about McCain, if he's
even after the Republican Convention and after selecting this attention-getting veep.

People are wondering if Palin is more than a speech. So far, her interviews have been pretty much lackluster, if
not embarrassing.

Look for McCain to slide in the polls, as America's love affair with Palin sours.

She's hot air with an up-do, and her star will fall fast.

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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:44 PM
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9. I hope you are right.
Might even pray that you are.
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CoffeeCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 06:53 PM
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16. ...and for what it's worth...
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 06:53 PM by TwoSparkles
I'm a stay-at-home soccer mom from the suburbs. I'm even a PTA member. :)

I'm pretty independent, and have even voted Republican in the past.

However, there is no way I would fall for Palin. No way.

Stay dry and safe from the storm. I hope you are in an area
that doesn't get hit too bad. Things look pretty serious from
what MSNBC has to say. Take care!
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mikita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:29 PM
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6. beautifully expressed thoughts...
thanks for posting this. You are not alone in your despair, and I'm not even in the path of a hurricane.
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:45 PM
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We are ALL in the path of a hurricane
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mikita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:49 PM
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12. I had added a line and then deleted it
but here's what I really wanted to add....

But we are ALL in the path of a clusterfuck.

So I agree with you again.
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AldebTX Donating Member (739 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:38 PM
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7. Also Being From Texas
Edited on Fri Sep-12-08 04:40 PM by AldebTX
Hillary would not have helped the ticket at all here. She would of united the repugs even more then they are at the moment with the Palin candidacy.

Obama will win the metropolitan areas, Dallas, Houston, Austin and San Antonio. Unfortunately, most of the state is still very rural. My parents retired to east Texas from Dallas and some of the stories they tell me about their neighbors are truly unbelievable.

However, there is some change. My parents are living DEEP in the heart of East Texas. She loves shocking her neighbors by telling them she is voting for Obama. She had me send several yard signs to her so she can stake them out in her pasture along the road.

For the first time in her 76 year life she voted in the primary and attended the Caucus. She said so many people voted in the democratic primary in her county (for Obama) that they were truly overwhelmed and she said the local minister preached against the increased influx of new mores.

She loves telling me how some of the wives take her quietly aside and tell her they are voting for Obama but "please, don't tell no one."

No, I do not think Obama will win here, but I have enjoyed seeing the Dean 50 state strategy wake up the Democratic party in the state and we are finally fielding candidates again. There is even talk that the Dems may retake the state house when the voting is all done this year. While I still long for the days of Ann Richards, I hope in my lifetime to see a big fat (D) after the governor's name some day and see the state quietly slip into the Dem column. Most people have seen the problems the Republicans have caused since they have taken over the state.

I'll close by apologizing for George Bush (both of them). Maybe some day we can make up for it by sending a good democrat your way.

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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:47 PM
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11. Austin, maybe
The last democrat we exported from the Lone Star was LBJ.

Not a gift many may want to claim.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:45 PM
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10. I can't read that. n/t
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panzerfaust Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:53 PM
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14. I am puzzled as to why not: But recopied here in B&W. Sorry.
Looks fine in FF1-3, Chrome, Opera, IE and even Safari on my sys.

Anyhow Recopy (sorry, took longer than I thought - the web is getting flaky here):


No, it is not the on-coming hurricane Ike – whose cloud bands even now grow overhead, whilst the wind is starting to rise up here at our place – to which I refer.

Certainly Ike will leave misery, anguish, devastation, and death in its wake; but more frightening is that it is becoming clear that the brilliant Republican choice for VP is going to put the presidential election close enough so that it can, once again, be stolen. It is even possible that they could win it outright (not that they will take that chance).

In most of the polls matching Democratic candidates against various republican candidates Senator Obama repeatedly was found to have the least chance of winning. Senator Clinton had the next worst chance. My pick, Edwards, generally came out well ahead. As it turns out, he was not the best candidate. It was not his immorality and heartlessness that was so shocking (he is, after all, a politician) but his incredible stupidity and recklessness in not being able to keep his pants zipped up even when running for president.

The bitter Democratic primary fight ended in Senator Obama achieving a goal: He won, and he is the first black presidential major party candidate in American history. Sadly, he will also be the first major party black presidential candidate to loose an election.

It did not have to be that way.

A Clinton-Obama ticket, though not what I wanted, would have won by a large enough margin that it is unlikely that a theft could have been pulled off. However, faced with that ticket (which the candidates, oddly, rejected early on in the primaries either as C-O or O-C. Humm. Why was that?), I expect that one, or the other, of them would have been assassinated, or there would have been a ‘terrorist’ attack which would have resulted in the election being put off.

Something would have happened. The Republicans cannot let their bloody hands slip from the levers of power. Too many of them would end up in prison. But it is not really the Republicans.

As anyone who has read my comments before knows, I am an unapologetic tin-hatter. Not because of voices I hear in my head, but because of the decades that I have watched the unfolding of history during my lifetime.

I thus believe that the dichotomy between the two major US parties is a false one. Each is controlled by the same rich and powerful people who control the Western world. Each represents the interests of the powerful, against the rest of us. However, as I have said before, I prefer the illusion of democracy offered by the Democrats, to the crude theo-fascism of the modern Republican party.

The elections are, in my opinion, decided long before voting day. I do think that Bill Clinton’s presidency was a mistake – The Powers (what else can they be called?) did not realize how fed-up with Republican demagogy the nation was. He was supposed to run, but he was supposed to lose. 2000 was their last shot. Had not the Republicans found the courage and the will to openly execute a (mostly) bloodless coup using their creatures on the Supreme Court, they would have vanished for a generation.

But, that is what philosopher’s call a ‘counterfactual’, a look at what might have been. The harsh reality is that our government was seized by a coup d'état – there is no other word for the ‘extralegal’ transfer of power to Bush. Still, one could argue, as do such, that the presidency was simply taken by right by those best fitted to govern.

The Powers took no chances in the 2004 election. Both candidates were from the same powerful secret college society (I am not making this up – research it yourself – surely some is hype, and some is true) which has produced a remarkable number of leaders in our government. Even so, it was recognized that Bush’s War was not popular, that fellow Bonesman Kerry might win if he ran on a strong anti-war platform. Accordingly, early in the campaign, Kerry made it explicit that he would have done exactly the same as Bush in pursuing the mideast war(s). At the time I thought he had accidentally shot himself in the foot. Later, I concluded that the self-inflicted wound was deliberate.

Look too at our Speaker of the House. She insured Bush would stay in power by, again, early on, explicitly stating that Bush and Cheney were safe from impeachment – impeachment demanded by any realistic reading of the US Constitution and federal laws.

This time around, Senator Obama was a safe choice to head the Democratic ticket. Not only because of his weak showing in the pre-convention polls (against Republicans), but because the US is still a racist country, and they expect that he will run and lose. Of course, they thought that of Bill Clinton too, but Senator Obama does not have to lose, he only has to win by a small enough margin that slight corruption of the vote totals will allow them to ‘win’. They have learned from the Clinton miscalculation.

In any event, Texas (my state) never would have gone for Obama. To put it bluntly, Texans simply have not grown enough from the not-so-long ago days of Jim Crow that they will vote for a black for president. Expect this is true of the rest of the white South, and likely true of more of the rest of the country than anyone is going to admit.

So where am I going with this? I am not really sure.

I think that I am in despair because the choice of Palin is proving to be a brilliant one. The day she was announced, virtually all of my fellow workers – all of whom are right-wingers – were angered and felt that they had been insulted. Several even said that they would vote for Obama as a result of their party’s have chosen such an unqualified candidate.

Now, after a week or so in the spin-machine that is our national press, they are going on about how she really has a lot of administrative experience (much more than Obama’s “105 Days” – a number that must have been in the spin machine), that she had really turned her little town around (like leaving it 20 or 30 million in long term debit), had stood up to Big Oil, had opposed Pork Projects (The bridge to nowhere gets mention. En passant, having lived in SE, Ketchikan is not, quite, nowhere), has strong Family Values (favors forced delivery), is a Working Mom, etc, etc.

The upshot: They are all energized with their party again, and I am depressed.

Truly, it is more like Palin-McSame, than the converse. My little microcosm seems to be being repeated throughout the Red States, if not the Blue. As the world’s leading conservative-rag (The Times – sorry WSJ, you just don’t cut it) reports …

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_amer...

"She's one of us": Palin wins over Obama women
Sarah Palin’s hockey mom appeal is winning over white female voters from Barack Obama

Jessica Goral had pretty much made up her mind two weeks ago: she was going to vote for Barack Obama. Then John McCain picked Sarah Palin as his running mate.

“She empowers a lot of women,” says Mrs Goral, a mother of two in Macomb County - a national bellwether in the battleground state of Michigan and an area rich in white, working class swing voters who will play a major role in deciding November’s election.
“I like that she’s a brand new mother, and that she has the courage to stand behind her pregnant daughter. She relates to working women. For all of us who have children at home but have to go to work every day – she has given us a sense that we can still do it and can still be an excellent mum.

“Sarah Palin is a role model …


Over-stated? Un-representative? Sure. But it is close enough to the truth that it will put them close enough to steal the presidency. Which, of course, is why they picked her.

The last semi-free US presidential election occurred in The Year of Our Lord 2000. In that time God looked down on an America beset with sin, sodomy, femi-nazis, and democracy and so caused George W. Bush to be raised up as the first Holy Protector of The Homeland of Jesus. Verily He appointed W-the-First to rule over His Nation, and to set us on His road to being the God-Fearing New Freedom™ Nation we are today.

It has happened.

Hurricane Ike’s devastation will be trivial compared to this.

I say this even though I know that Galveston has NOT, in spite of the news reports, been adequately evacuated, the number of lives that will be lost there, pale in comparison to the number of people who will die as a result of (the upcoming) Palin presidency.

When the hurricane hit Galveston in 1900 about two-thirds of a branch of my ancestors were killed. This time I am hoping that all survive (none are actually on Galveston, but all are in the Eastern Lone-Star).

Speaking of Ike. Need to go check the yard again.

Ciao.

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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-08 04:57 PM
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15. Thank you!
:)
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