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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:26 AM
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I don't like "24" anymore
No more support for the crypto-fascists who make it
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geckosfeet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:27 AM
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1. Never liked it - thought it was an absurd piece of voyeurism.
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:28 AM
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3. I'm a Bond freak and action show junkie
Couldn't help watching it
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CLG_News Donating Member (387 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:49 AM
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18. The show is poorly scripted - not clever like 'NCIS,' etc.
Because of the simple plot and 'See Spot run' writing style, the Reichwing loves it!
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:28 AM
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2. Jeanine Garofilo will be on this season.....
Kiefer's also a good progressive... How do you "square" the two being on the show?
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tanyev Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:32 AM
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5. I've been wondering how Kiefer feels about his show being such a source
of inspiration to right-wing fools.
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Taverner Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:47 AM
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25. Keep your friends close, your enemies, closer...
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El Pinko Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:28 AM
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4. Never understood the appeal to begin with...
...but then the same goes for about 90% of what's on TV...

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Regret My New Name Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:32 AM
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6. I didn't mind the first one...
never got into the other ones. They actually seemed to have gotten more and more ridiculous with each season. It's a horribly stupid show in my opinion.
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alphafemale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:43 AM
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15. I was hooked in the first season. The storyline was really strong.
About halfway or less into the second season things got so ridiculous that I lost interest.

Haven't watched it since.
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mudesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:33 AM
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7. The first season was good. The rest are terrible
I might not watch this latest one coming up, as this show has become a caricature of itself.
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elfin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:33 AM
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8. I quit watching over a year ago
I had enjoyed it until it became so blatantly Repug and also devolved into unintended camp.
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arthritisR_US Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:33 AM
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9. my sentiments exactly! n/t
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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:34 AM
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10. There is a concept in written science fiction..
Called "suspension of disbelief".

Well written and internally consistent SF allows one to suspend disbelief and enjoy the story.

There isn't much on TV that allows me to suspend my disbelief and 24 is definitely not a show that has ever even come close to that point.

An extremely blatant example would be a Western set in the 1880's which had one of the characters riding a dirt bike with no explanation of why, that would nullify the suspension of disbelief and ruin the story for most people.

The more you know, the harder it is to suspend your disbelief in the face of "teh stoopid".

24 has "teh stoopid" in Spades..
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Warren Stupidity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:40 AM
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14. suspension of disbelief long standing aesthetic theory
"Suspension of disbelief or "Willing Suspension of Disbelief" is an aesthetic theory intended to characterize people's relationships to art. It was coined by the poet and aesthetic philosopher Samuel Taylor Coleridge in 1817. It refers to the willingness of a person to accept as true the premises of a work of fiction, even if they are fantastic or impossible. It also refers to the willingness of the audience to overlook the limitations of a medium, so that these do not interfere with the acceptance of those premises. According to the theory, suspension of disbelief is a quid pro quo: the audience tacitly agrees to provisionally suspend their judgment in exchange for the promise of entertainment."
wiki

Science fiction, like all literature, theater, and film, must engage the readers suspension of disbelief in order to work.

Camp is sort of the opposite of suspension of disbelief. Instead of luring us into the fantasy, a camp production (if it is deliberate) plays on our failure to believe at all. 24 long ago descended into camp, but did so without awareness of its doing so - which makes it just bad art.


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Fumesucker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:02 AM
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22. Thanks, I wasn't aware that Coleridge had coined the term..
In Xanadu did Kubla Khan
A stately pleasure-dome decree :
Where Alph, the sacred river, ran
Through caverns measureless to man
Down to a sunless sea.

So twice five miles of fertile ground
With walls and towers were girdled round :
And there were gardens bright with sinuous rills,
Where blossomed many an incense-bearing tree ;
And here were forests ancient as the hills,
Enfolding sunny spots of greenery.
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Dukkha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:38 AM
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11. If it was accurate
They would have 6-8 episodes that shows everyone just sleeping
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MrScorpio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:39 AM
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12. Agreed!
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MilesColtrane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:40 AM
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13. "The Fiction Behind Torture Policy" -Newsweek
http://www.newsweek.com/id/149009

The most influential legal thinker in the development of modern American interrogation policy is not a behavioral psychologist, international lawyer or counterinsurgency expert. Reading both Jane Mayer's stunning "The Dark Side," and Philippe Sands's "Torture Team," it quickly becomes plain that the prime mover of American interrogation doctrine is none other than the star of Fox television's "24," Jack Bauer.

This fictional counterterrorism agent—a man never at a loss for something to do with an electrode—has his fingerprints all over U.S. interrogation policy. As Sands and Mayer tell it, the lawyers designing interrogation techniques cited Bauer more frequently than the Constitution.

-snip-

There are many reasons that matriculation from the Jack Bauer School of Law would have encouraged even cautious legal thinkers to bend and eventually break our longstanding rules against torture. U.S. interrogators rarely if ever encounter a "ticking time bomb," someone with detailed information about an imminent terror plot. But according to the advocacy group the Parents Television Council (which has declared war on "24"), Bauer encounters a ticking time bomb an average of 12 times every season. Given that each season represents a 24-hour period, Bauer encounters someone who needs torturing 12 times per day. Experienced interrogators know that information extracted through torture is rarely reliable. But Jack Bauer's torture not only elicits the truth, it does so before the commercial. He is a human polygraph who has a way with flesh-eating chemicals.

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Lydia Leftcoast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:43 AM
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16. If you're disappointed with "24," try the British import "MI-5"
(known as "Spooks" in the UK).

It's about the British equivalent of the FBI, but there's no good guys-bad guys nonsense here. The characters are multi-dimensional with personal lives and personal opinions and personal moral struggles. Main characters quit in disgust or turn bad or get killed or are forced into hiding. Sometimes they end up harming or endangering innocent people.

Their villains are interesting, not only the expected Middle Eastern terrorists, but also anti-abortion activists from America, people trying to whip up racist sentiments, and, in the later seasons, figures within the British establishment who want to create a fascist government. I see parallels to our current situation in the later seasons in particular.

The fact that you do NOT know whether there will be a happy ending or not makes this an edge-of-the-seat thriller, but the excellent cast adds extra appeal.

Five seasons, of which A&E showed three before going into total trash mode, are now available on DVD in the States.
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Tutonic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:45 AM
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17. Never watched it or anything on FOX.
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Catch22Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:51 AM
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19. House is on FOX. I have to watch it!!!
I don't care what network it's on, that's a great fucking show.
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GreenPartyVoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:52 AM
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20. I watched maybe 3 or 4 shows the first season, and then forgot about it
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TheCowsCameHome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 10:59 AM
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21. 24 what?
Never saw it.
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:20 AM
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23. It's The Best Show On TV. Can't Wait For The New Season!!!
24 fuckin rocks!
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:34 AM
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24. Is that fascistoid tripe still on TV?
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AlCzervik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:49 AM
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26. i still have never seen it and now it's too late, i'm guessing you have had to watch from
the beginning sort of like "Lost"?
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Overseas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 11:51 AM
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27. Never liked it. Thought it was just PR to make Americans accept torture
even though they know it actually hurts our troops if our side uses torture. Our own troops will be subjected to the same brutal treatment.

Military experts have also affirmed that it does not elicit any useful information. McJerk himself showed that was so, by breaking and doing some propaganda films for our nation's enemies.

But now, after "24", guys think it is just an important tough guy tool to use against those mean awful terrorists.
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Feron Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-08 12:29 PM
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28. Neither do I.
The last season sucked and the previews for season 7 don't look promising.
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