So what do you do when someone comes into your house to rob you w/o a gun?

Do you give them anything they want or do you pick up something hard and beat the shit out of them no matter how big they are?

Are we going to let them have anything they want or are we going to do something about it?

:hug:

(psssttt.....it ain't just them there republicans that is the crooks!)

WTF? It depends on the situation. Duh.

Mostly, my stuff isn't worth my life or my health. So what if people take some stuff that your insurance is going to cover anyway. Chill.

come into my house and take what i worked hard for. i've got guns and i will use one if i have to.

It just isn't. My life, my kids', my grandkids', absolutely. But not my stuff. Good lord. What fucked up values. Those are the kind of values that convince people the US has the right to go to war for oil, er, I mean, "US interests".

actually i'm thinking about getting a taser. i'd really rather give the guy a jolt while waiting for the police to arrive, but i'm not going to sit back and let a criminal have his way.

we don't have that many people breaking into houses here while someone is home. they know that the person may be armed, so they think twice about it.

it's because you live in an area that has plenty of police, above average education, community development, etc. It's not because anybody has a gun. Violent crime is generally highest in states with high gun ownership.

we have high gun ownership. yes i do live in a nice area. however, there have been break ins in the subdivision about 1/2 a mile from where we live while people were not home. the owner of the nail salon's house was broken into. she had almost $10,000 in cash. they took that, her computer and many other things. insurance did not cover much. she shouldn't have had that much cash around. BTW. she has 4 dogs who bark, but if no one was around to hear them, they're useless. i told her that she should have a security system. she's a single mom with 2 teenage girls. we have one. wouldn't live without it. if i'm home alone the alarm is on. hubby just went to bed and i turned it on. actually if someone were to come up here at night they would be nuts. there's only one way in and out and the road is so narrow that 2 cars cannot pass at the same time. it's pitch dark at night and at one point if you don't know your way around you could drive right off the mountain. there are coyotes, javelinas and rattlers. i won't even throw garbage out when it's dark.

there is some gun violence in the poorer neighborhoods -- mostly gang related. those guns are usually not registered. when we bought ours we had to have a background check (brady bill). it stopped many criminals from getting guns legally, but unfortunately people get them from other means.

we had a very sad case a few years ago. a teenage girl was outside talking on her cell phone with her friend (not in a poor neighborhood). someone -- could have been miles away fired a gun up in the air and she was hit by the stray bullet. she died.

upper middle class neighborhoods get robbed too. there is one area where people were not closing their windows at night. they were robbed while they slept. i never ever sleep with a window or door open even though it would be nice to have the fresh air. and like i said. anyone who would come up here at night would have to be nuts. i always say "sharon tate and her friends thought they were safe".

BTW. the subdivision near us has police protection. we're in the county so we would have to call the sheriff. they don't just ride up here to check things out. we're sort of isolated -- not many homes up here.

What a combination.

You can list all the random violent acts you want, they don't indicate a need for gun ownership.

You did list the ONLY reason I think an individual needs a gun, and that's when you're in a rural setting where a cop can't get there within 20 minutes. Note the word "can't", which does not mean a city that just doesn't have enough cops on duty to answer all calls within 5 minutes.

I hope your gun is never the one stolen that kills a random child. But I suspect you wouldn't care. That's why guns from your neighborhood are stolen and become part of those "very sad cases" that you tsk tsk about, and then go buy yet another gun to contribute to the problem.

Instead of doing something constructive, like walking over to that neighborhood and seeing what you can do to help turn things around.

people will never agree on -- one of them is guns. i see it every time we have a thread about guns here.

there is no way the sheriff would be up here in 5 minutes (providing i could get to the phone to call). during the time it would take for him to get here, i could be raped or murdered or worse.

if you want to think that i don't care about other people, that's your choice. the thing is you don't know anything about me and yet you make judgments.

if you don't want a gun that's your choice. how about letting me and people like me make our choices without be judged as "uncaring people".

maybe we should have "pro choice" when it comes to guns -- the choice to own one or the choice to not own one.

it sounds like your judging the nail shop owner too. she has 2 great girls -- i've met them several times. their interests are school and getting good grades.

on edit: i hope you are never a victim of a violent crime. if you were you might wish that you had a gun, or maybe you would rather be a martyr. i think you would chose the latter.

i lived in new york where i couldn't own a gun. now we have 5.

Kicked down the door of a neighbor's house.
Murdered the neighbor's sons. (Sure, they were rotten sonsofbitches, but that's their family business.)
Pulled the neighbor from a hole in the ground, where he had hoped to escape detection.
Hanged the neighbor in a grotesque mockery of justice.
Robbed the neighbor of all his goods.
Burned the neighbor's house to the ground.

And people cheered.

What's your point?

took the pry-bar out from under the desk and went after them...never saw anyone run that fast.

If I clear shot and a weapon, maybe. It's never really a good idea to try to be a hero over material posessions and pride.

if they are outside I would let them go with my car, or something from it. Inside they are fucked. Shotgun or whatever means are available to incapacitate or kill them.

I'd probably just open a beer and watch the carnage.

Okay, that was mean.

if they come into your house uninvited they deserve it.

i'm seriously thinking about getting a taser. i'd rather give him a jolt than shoot him.

them whatever they want is how it will be. At least that is my take on your post.

myself what does one do to.

you called me a coward.

have I got that right?

than hit the fucker in the mouth, as I told you on your thread.

read your PM. I have sent that dog money. We would take that dog in a second.

from a very anti-social 120 pound giant schnauzer

because i can't see it?

I was held up when i worked at a Credit Union when i was about 19, he there was a gun in the bag and we saw no reason not believe him. Did we hand over what he asked for-----fucking a we did. I would gift wrapped it if he asked me too.

if we were determined enough not to be robbed. Guess it's only money, but what will be next, rape? Then what?

why? "Because i don't want to get sued if i just shoot them in the leg" Swear to gawd. Dad isn't a gun nut per say, likes to shoot skeet, does not hunt and hates the NRA with a passion.

guns are for personal protection.

:hi:

Pops some cash so he goes out and buys a 44 with it and named it "Nana Blanche".

old Pepperidge farm guy, ayup.

:toast:

then giving it to their fucking millionaire buddies. No mortgage, no loan, no 20% interest rate, not even a fucking IOU! Just a 700 billion dollar tax payer robbery.

I live in AZ, not much I can do by calling a Senator's office. :rofl:

Doesn't Congress control the purse strings ?

:P

analogies, nor terriers. So, don't worry about it.

myself, I call bullshit on you. Now I thought we had cleared this up on pms, but here you are back with it on the boards. What is wrong with you?

It's a problem with the opening assumption...

Just how the hell do you know this guy (who is in MY house, not YOURs) just doesn't want to "borrow" my 401K to keep his investment bank solvent?

I'd go to jail for even threatening the guy who stood outside that flophouse on Pennsylvania avenue proposing this. Why do you want the FBI after me?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????



:rofl:

No one here wants you making any threats to anyone on Pennsylvania Avenue. Trust me.

points were 2 fold.

1. setting up a hypothetical so that the person is already in my house stealing my stuff sets up a situation which is very low probability.
Its the same sort of argument used by Cheney and the NeoCons "isn't it ok to torture someone if their comrade is about to blow up your town with a suitcase nuke?"

The assumptions built into the hypothetical are a couple ten thousand times more fantastical, but in both cases fantastical. Neither is realistic based on demographics for the area I live.

So Fantastical hypotheticals deserve fantastical answers. In response I simply say, fantastically of course, that no one could ever get in my house to rob my stuff because I have attack geese and a killer rabbit. I don't have any assets. If they got in they'd get nothing, moreover, I have cancer and no insurance so I live with a death wish. They'd be doing me a favor...


2. You, I, and our posterity ARE going to be robbed by this crazy assed bailout of the financial institutions.
That is not a fantastical hypothetical but reality. It will be the largest theft from the most people in US history.

And there isn't a freaking thing you can do about it whether you believe in the right to protect yourself and your assets with a gun or not.

:sarcasm:

Let my trolling concern be noted.

My Body is listed as a lethal weapon with the D.O.D. One look that's it... Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Chuckie babeeee.

You might come in, but your not getting out.

not alive? I guess bushitler has made that a goal for us though now that I think about it.

and some monster knives in the kitchen.

with a knife and put it in his cold dead fingers.

if they aren't armed, I'd probably attempt to talk with them, and try to find out what sort of circumstances have led to their decision to rob people. Are they unemployed and in need of work? Are they or a loved one suffering from a disability? Do they need food? That sort of thing...