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kpete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:20 PM
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Bailout Update: They Are Lying to You (Bloomberg)
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 10:42 PM by kpete
Breaking- Bailout Update: They Are Lying to You
by Ilya Sheyman
Sun Sep 21, 2008 at 08:11:29 PM PDT

Bloomberg just broke the story:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aYXtwpG9mw9g&refer=home

The U.S. Treasury submitted revised guidance to Congress on its plan a day after first submitting it, as lawmakers and lobbyists push their own ideas. Officials now propose buying what they term troubled assets, without specifying the type, according to a document obtained by Bloomberg News and confirmed by a congressional aide.

The change suggests the inclusion of instruments such as car and student loans, credit-card debt and any other troubled asset. That may force an eventual increase in the size of the package as Democrats and Republicans in Congress negotiate the final legislation with the Bush administration, analysts said.


They're lying about the scope.

``The costs of the bailout will be significantly higher than originally considered or acknowledged,'' said Josh Rosner, an analyst with independent research firm Graham Fisher & Co. in New York. ``How, given these changes, can the administration and Federal Reserve believe they are being forthright in their unrevised expectation of future losses?''


more at:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aYXtwpG9mw9g&refer=home
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/21/23929/8880/81/606045

Even Newt Gingrich, comes out in opposition to this massive transfer of authority to the Secretary of the Treasury and calls for Congressional hearings into the bill.
http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=ZGE5MmE0YmRiODA3YTRiNzFlN2FmNDU5N2I0ZDc3YTE=
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:22 PM
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1. Remember when Wolfowitz said the Iraq war would pay for itself?
Remember when Rumsfeld said that the Iraq war would only last days, weeks, maybe months, but definitely not for years?

Of COURSE they're lying to us. They're the mob. It's what they DO.
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WCGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:24 PM
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2. That is all they should keep harping on...
How incompetent they are...
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Jackpine Radical Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:27 PM
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6. They're not incompetent.
They're criminals. Competent criminals.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 08:57 AM
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27. All true.
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Eurobabe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 03:47 AM
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16. The US is being suckered yet again
Bush & Company should be arrested for gross negligence. NOW!!
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:25 PM
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3. They're not even pretending anymore. They want to turn our treasury over
to their rich buddies.
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EV_Ares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:25 PM
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4. Whoa, that should be enough to tell everyone, you cannot trust any of
these guys. They need to shut this down quick and go back to the drawing board. K&R.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:27 PM
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5. Will Mr. Paulson consent to have his head examined?
I want to know which of the little grey men or pink elephants gave him this brilliant idea.
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Mariana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 11:15 PM
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13. I'd prefer it if he'd consent to have his head removed.
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dixiegrrrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:35 PM
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7. Ever notice how quickly the regime has a plan all written up
and ready to whip out immediately after one of their disasters?

And then later we find out the plan had been designed months before the "crisis".

The Patriot Act..ink wasn't even dry when it was announced.

Invasion of Iraq

and now the "rescue" of the banking system.
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Efilroft Sul Donating Member (827 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:52 PM
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12. Another example of the Jack Bauer "WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME!" strategy.
2000: "We can't count all the votes in Florida or else it will lead to a Constitutional crisis. Dear God, it's December -- WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME!"

2001: "First 9/11, then the Anthrax scare. Pass the prepped-ahead-of-time PATRIOT Act now -- WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME!"

2002: "We can't wait for mushroom clouds as proof of Saddam's WMDs. Pass the Iraq War Resolution now -- WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME!"

2008: "Our intelligence agencies can't work with outmoded FISA regulations. Gut the Fourth Amendment now -- WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME!"

2008: "Give the investment bankers and Secretary Paulson everything they ask for. The global economic system could collapse if you don't, and...

WE'RE RUNNING OUT OF TIME!"

The thing is, with November's elections fast approaching, "they" really are running out of time riding on their rape-and-pillage gravy train. However, they're trying to play chicken with all of us. Screw them. Call their bluff. And if the economy falls to crap because of their malfeasance, well, there are plenty of lamp posts on K and Wall streets that can be appropriately adorned.
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kaybea Donating Member (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 04:37 PM
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39. Great point, thanks for raising it. n/t
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Kokonoe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 09:48 AM
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29. My Truck is a disaster.
Its an old truck, maybe 7 yrs old.

If I could put $7,ooo into it,
it would look Nice.

I Don't fix it unless it is completely broken.
I knew it was going to break eventually.

but I would have the money to fix it THROUGH EVERY MEANS possible, when absolutely Necessary.

And as we know Bushb is almost gone.

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Shallah Kali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 02:33 PM
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34. I used to wonder if the Bush Admin. was incomptent or deliberately fouling things up
It wasn't long before I decided they were doing it deliberately so they could then spring their master plan to save us from the latest pile of manure they dropped America into. Then they only need to herd the panic stricken congress into blindly following the Bush Admin's lead like a bunch of lemmings going off a cliff.
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 04:48 PM
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40. It will be Palin's lead in 2012. Mark my words, she's being groomed
to be the next over-ambitious dummy. She has just the mix of sadism and stupidity that attracted Rove to GWB. They will be able to sell her on any fascist suck-the-life-out-of-the-populace program that they tell her is good for Party, country, and the power of her Presidency, and be surprised when no one loves her.
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KatieB Donating Member (431 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:36 PM
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8. Doesn't Paulsen have a conflict of interest? He's from Goldman Sachs!
And now the "Treasury" Dept is adding "troubled assets" to the list! Greed has no bounds.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:37 PM
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9. The real terrorists
Edited on Sun Sep-21-08 10:46 PM by seemslikeadream














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Quantess Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 02:53 AM
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14. gross.
K & R
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City Lights Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 06:07 AM
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24. America's welfare kings.
:nuke:
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 08:46 AM
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25. Please make this post it's own thread. --nt
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 10:28 AM
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33. I already did could you please kick this?
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MsLeopard Donating Member (717 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 03:59 PM
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37. Looks like a meeting of the dons
of all the families. "Guido, you talkin' to me?!?"
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tridim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 07:09 PM
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43. All these men look like Bond villains
Or Mobsters.
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prayin4rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:39 PM
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10. OMG they expect us to buy all the debt of the whole world!!!!!!!
:mad: what the hell is going on?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 05:42 AM
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22. This is some sick twisted shit people! Let's not let them terrorize us any more!!!
:grr:
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salin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-08 10:42 PM
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11. Vote this up... unprecedented reverse socialism.
lets cover bad decision by lenders in ALL sectors.

Lets oover foreign lender for bad decisions for lenders in all sectors.

Let the majority of American taxpayers who have NOT participated in this game of greed increase their debt load by an unlimited amount (given the growing expansion of this UNACCOUNTABLE bailout).

This is getting ridiculous.

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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 03:33 AM
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15. jesus! k&r. n/t
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 03:54 AM
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17. Wonder if we get a press release from mccain campaign?
TODAY, WE ARE ALL BANKERS


Socializing the economy.
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magellan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 04:00 AM
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18. Um, excuse me?
Now these hucksters want us to bail out ALL their swindler friends?

That's it. SHUT IT DOWN.

I swear to everything sweet and dear left in this country, which ain't much and so has more significance -- the Dems better not sign onto this Great American Heist. They had better NOT.
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Dover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 05:01 AM
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19. Interesting timing too....:PRIOR to the election...n/t
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Bravo Zulu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 05:12 AM
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20. Treasury to purchase car loans?
Something's fishy!
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Kip Humphrey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 05:39 AM
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21. Ha! They're trying to prop up a $300-$500 TRILLION derivatives market with $700B! That's leverage!
IMO, This will cost US taxpayers at least $4-$5 TRILLION!
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 05:54 AM
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23. k & r
this is pure bullshit. make noise!
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horseshoecrab Donating Member (613 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 08:56 AM
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26. k&r
:kick:
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spanone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 09:00 AM
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28. how can we trust the people who allowed this to happen, to fix it....bailout surge
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clear eye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 09:55 AM
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30. Tell them STOP! They decide on Wednesday
Congress Joint Economic Committee meets on Wednesday to craft the actual bill that will go to Congress for approval. The key players are the co-chairs of the Committee--Sen. Charles Schumer, and Rep. Carolyn Maloney, both of NY. Everyone else gets to vote on the bill, but in the current crisis atmosphere, there will be little debate and most likely no amendments offered.

The expansion of the assets to be bought indicates that this is not a situational bailout of some institutions, but a bizarre effort to fix the tanking economy by trickle down. All these things--credit cards, student loans, loans in general, are failing because the economy, "Main St.", is failing. Trying to fix it this way will make things immeasurably worse. It will destroy the dollar, making everyone's savings, especially Baby Boomers who have an entire lifetime of savings, worthless just when our largest demographic is aging out of the shrinking job market. It starts a vicious cycle where the "rescue" while temporarily bailing out investment houses and banks makes the economy worse, so people can't pay back more loans, so more "assets" need rescuing, and so on. In a shockingly short time there will be no way to save the financial institutions, and the money needed for a proper rescue of the economy will be gone.

The only feasible way to rescue the financial system is to do the leanest of rescues while re-regulating, restoring taxation on the ultra-wealthy, corporations, and estates, and providing direct help to the people by job creation including support for the manufacturing sector, which would stem the flow of defaults. This is also the only way to prevent the slashing of vital gov't programs like Social Security and public schooling.

Go to website of the Joint Economic Committee and see if your one of your Congressmembers is a member--Senators <http://jec.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=About.SenateMembers>, Representatives <http://jec.senate.gov/index.cfm?FuseAction=About.HouseMembers>. If they are, contact them today.
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CrispyQ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 10:11 AM
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31. Thank you for this info.
I will contact everyone on the committee today.
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Supersedeas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 10:26 AM
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32. Bushler wants his Blank Check for Cronies and he wants it RIGHT NOW (before the election damn it)
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MadHound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 02:45 PM
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35. Whoop, there it is
Buy all the bad debt out there(and if we're going to get into CC debt, that's a monster), bail out Wall Street, let the wealthy few float off on golden parachutes, and stick the US economy with enough debt so that our Treasury bonds are downgraded, hyperinflation runs rampant, and our economy and country go into complete meltdown with at least a decade long recorvery period.

This is the ultimate neocon power play, drown the government in red ink, transfer a huge amount of wealth to the rich few, and screw the rest of us.

This is insane, and frankly we need to vote against anybody on the Hill who votes for this.
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 02:55 PM
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36. It's blatant for anyone willing to look at it. nt
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CharmCity Donating Member (202 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 04:07 PM
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38. Interesting!
This has the potential to wipe out a huge amount of debt -- but for whom?
Has anyone asked where that number $700 billion came from, anyway?!
Pumping $700 billion into the economy WITHOUT OVERSIGHT OR REGULATORS could become an outright party!
Boy, this could win an election for somebody!
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onethatcares Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 05:40 PM
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41. the most massive transfer of wealth in forever
and they were worried about gaudamn inheritance tax.
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Kurovski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-22-08 05:53 PM
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42. K&R. (nt)
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