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Liberal_in_LA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:16 PM
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Market Fears: “There’s a terrified older population out there,”
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 12:18 PM by Liberal_in_LA
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/23/business/23retirees.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

Retirees Filling the Front Line in Market Fears

By JOHN LELAND and LOUIS UCHITELLE
Published: September 22, 2008
Older Americans with investments are among the hardest hit by the turmoil in the financial markets and have the least opportunity to recover.

“There’s a terrified older population out there,” said Alicia H. Munnell, director of the Center for Retirement Research at Boston College. “If you’re 45 and the market goes down, it bothers you, but it comes back. But if you’re retired or about to retire, you might have to sell your assets before they have a chance to recover.

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Today’s retirees have less money in savings, longer life expectancies and greater exposure to market risk than any retirees since World War II.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:17 PM
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mmonk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:19 PM
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4. Wish I could recommend your response.
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enlightenment Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:19 PM
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5. Here we go again . . .
:popcorn:
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:20 PM
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7. McCain is winning substantially among seniors.... it's a fact.

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Raven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:20 PM
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6. Ah, I'm a "senior" and have worked for every Democratic since
JFK. I'm offended that you would lump all of us into one racist group. Next, I suppose you'll be blaming us for the financial meltdown.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:21 PM
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8. You are a minority among seniors. McCain is winning seniors by a large margin.

Hope you can convince your peers.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:53 PM
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19. and I hope that you can get your peers
to get off their lazy, it makes no difference...blah blah... asses and vote for a change. It's real easy to point fingers.
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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:06 PM
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16. Raven, Thanks
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 03:16 PM by mitchtv
Maybe I'll become a terrorist if we get wiped out.
The poster you replied to has problems. He is insulting millions of Dems who would never vote puke; stupid, too, as it will take him many ballots to equal the times I have vote for Dems
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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:23 PM
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9. I am 50 and have saved for our retirement since I was 20
I am not a fucking racist, I am registered independent, voting enthusiastically for Obama. My dh is a registered republican, voting enthusiastically, head over heels happy, for Obama.

Assumptions like the one you made are definitely true in some instances, and wildly off base in others. Don't get pigeonholed into stereotypes that aren't helpful to reaching the goal.

We can work for many years still if we need to. But I worked through all holidays and on weekends for many years to be able to not rely on SS, even though I pay into it. I just want a way to make the sacrifices I made over the years result in something other than me living in a damned tent, sharing food with the dog.

Although I do feed the dog home made food now, and it is pretty good. And I certainly own a tent.
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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:25 PM
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10. P.S. I know I am not technically a senior
but most mornings, I can see my senior status from here.
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scheming daemons Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:16 PM
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13. Majority of seniors are in McCain's camp... AS A GROUP they are voting against their best interests

Some individuals, like yourself, are in a minority in that group.
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DeschutesRiver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 04:18 PM
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20. Respectfully disagree about the minority
Unless you get caught up in scenes like Palin talking to her 70,000 population, hard-core elderly republicans at The Villages in Florida. Otherwise, in my personal experiences, I am finding quite a few "seniors" jumping ship to Obama (esp if you define senior as over 50).

This definitely would represent a change in trend for seniors. Or just something unusual for this campaign, with a guy the quality of Obama, running against a guy with no character or brain. And during one of the nastiest economic times imaginable. Look, old people probably don't want their benefits fucked with - you wouldn't either, if your ability to earn a living was long past and you are leaning against a walker with your colostomy bag flapping in the breeze.

OTOH, the majority of seniors (McCain excluded) do have the ability to know what a depression is like, to listen to McCain's deregulation talk, to hear about the bailouts, and "get it" that under McCain, their SS is gonna be tossed to the wolves on Wall Street. And that this time, the seniors who lived the depression as kids growing up might get to do it again as elderly folks.

You might be surprised at how that is completely understandable to them and a game changer for their votes.
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:25 PM
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11. Generalize much? My father's in this situation, and he's voted Democratic all his life. n/t

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:17 PM
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Pithlet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 02:51 PM
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15. Of course you you didn't.
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 02:55 PM by Pithlet
But it's a very touchy subject around here. Someone posted a thread about this, and it got locked. It just can't be discussed here. You're right, but people are just very sensitive about it. I don't know if we can ever do anything about it if we can't talk about it, but apparently it's verboten. I do think we could be more sensitive in how we bring this issue up sometimes, though. It's important not to generalize. It just turns people off.
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WritersBlock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:08 PM
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17. Wow, two insults in a row. You're apparently on a roll here.


Perhaps you should be more specific for us "idiots" next time instead of painting all members of a very large group with the same brush.




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Frosty1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 03:46 PM
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18. Senile seniors voting for a senile candidate

Are you surprised much?
Pretty easy population to persuade maybe?
:sarcasm:
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brentspeak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 04:33 PM
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22. "As a group...seniors are solidly in McCain's camp" -- where is this information?
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fla nocount Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 04:36 PM
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24. I'm 57 and I believe in the total destruction by whatever means,
of rule by royalty, family connection and cronyism. This by definition makes me an anarchist, pigeon-hole me please so that I might recognize my errors and plan my retirement.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:18 PM
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2. they were at the palin thing in orlando - can't be too worried
they voted for these scoundrels - they hurt everyone
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DJ13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:19 PM
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3. ......and most still think the GOP are the only ones who can fix it I bet

I think their use of Geritol is getting them drunk.
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trof Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 12:31 PM
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12. I'm not terrified, but I am worried.
I own no common stocks, but my preferred stocks and debt instruments that pay monthly and quarterly interest are suffering right along with the bad stuff.
My timeline for recovery is limited.
And BTW, the only repug I've ever voted for was a RINO.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 04:19 PM
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21. And if they vote Republican again, they deserve to take the hit!
Edited on Tue Sep-23-08 04:20 PM by TexasObserver
If people over 60 in America are dumb enough to vote for another Republican president, they deserve to lose Social Security and Medicare benefits. I'm so tired of old farts who let their fears and bigotry rule their politics.
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-23-08 04:36 PM
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23. I am baffled by the venom of some of the responses to this OP
:wtf: is wrong with these people? Do they hate their grandmas?

Hekate


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