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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 05:29 PM
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I know it's not the hot topic of the night, but WE'RE KILLING OURSELVES
Greenhouse gas emissions shock scientists
Carbon dioxide output is rising rather than falling, despite efforts to curb it. 'It's scary,' one researcher says.
From Times Wire Services
September 26, 2008


WASHINGTON -- The world pumped up emissions of the chief human-produced global warming gas last year, setting a course that could push beyond leading scientists' projected worst-case scenario, international researchers said Thursday.

The new numbers, which some scientists called "scary," were a surprise because experts thought an economic downturn would slow energy use. Instead, carbon dioxide output rose 3% from 2006 to 2007.

That amount exceeds the most dire outlook for emissions from burning coal and oil and related activities as projected by a Nobel Prize-winning group of international scientists in 2007.

Meanwhile, forests and oceans, which suck up carbon dioxide, are doing so at lower rates, scientists said. If those trends continue, the world will be on track for the highest predicted rises in temperature and sea level.

The U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change has warned that an increase of between 3.2 and 9.7 degrees Fahrenheit could trigger massive environmental changes, including melting of the Greenland ice sheet, the Himalayan-Tibetan glaciers and summer sea ice in the Arctic...

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..."We should be worried -- really worried," Moss told the Washington Post. "This is happening in the context of trying to reduce emissions."

The new data also shows that forests and oceans, which naturally take up much of the carbon dioxide humans emit, are having less impact. These "natural sinks" have absorbed 54% of carbon dioxide emissions released since 2000, a drop of 3 percentage points compared with the period between 1959 and 2000.

The pollution leader was China, followed by the United States, which past data show is the leader in emissions per person in carbon dioxide output. And although several developed countries slightly reduced output in 2007, the U.S. churned out more....

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...Emissions in the U.S. rose nearly 2% in 2007, after declining the previous year. The U.S. produced 1.75 billion tons of carbon.

"Things are happening very, very fast," Le Quere told the Associated Press. "It's scary..."

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..."If we're going to do something , it's got to be different than what we're doing," he said...

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...Moreover, new scientific research suggests the globe is already destined for a greater worldwide temperature rise than predicted. Last month, two scientists from the Scripps Institution of Oceanography and UC San Diego published research showing that even if humans stopped generating greenhouse gases immediately, the world's average temperature would "most likely" increase by 4.3 degrees Fahrenheit by the end of this century.

Writing in the journal Proceedings of the National Academies of Science, they based their calculations on the fact that new air-quality measures worldwide are reducing the amount of fine particles, or aerosols, in the atmosphere and diminishing their cooling effect.

What is "kind of scary" is that the worldwide emissions growth is beyond the highest growth in fossil fuel predicted just two years ago by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, said Benjamin Santer, an atmospheric scientist at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory.

Under the panel's scenario then, temperatures would increase by somewhere between 4 and 11 degrees Fahrenheit by 2100.

If this trend continues for the century, we would be exceedingly lucky "for it just to be bad, as opposed to catastrophic," said Stanford University climate scientist Stephen H. Schneider.

http://www.latimes.com/news/science/environment/la-na-warming26-2008sep26,0,6690604.story
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 05:33 PM
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1. yeah, there's a lot of stuff slipping through the cracks right now n/t
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elocs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 05:35 PM
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2. You're right, it's not the hot topic of the night, so if you want it seriously and widely discussed
you should maybe post this another day. You will likely be happier with the results you get.
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dana_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 05:35 PM
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3. if we don't get this under control soon
it will be the topic of the century
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lynettebro440 Donating Member (950 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 05:48 PM
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4. Makes you realize
that youre fightening to survive only to witness the fact that we aren't moving in a longer life scenario.
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Kazak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 05:49 PM
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5. There is that.
:shrug:
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Poseidan Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 06:01 PM
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6. xyz
Live like there's no tomorrow!!!!

Or not...
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 06:02 PM
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7. no, WE are not killing ourselves
THEY are killing US! they as in corporations, that is.
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codjh9 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 06:11 PM
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8. It's not just corporations - massive amounts of CO2 are from CAR DRIVING, worldwide.
But I'm NOT defending corps. in any way, shape or form.
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 06:52 PM
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9. i understand what you're saying...
however, what choice do we have other than walking, bicycles, or public transportation? they've made alternative fuel vehicles almost impossible to find and cost-prohibitive. can you imagine how it would be now if electric (for example) engine cars and trucks had been available 30 years ago? greed is at the root of this.
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-26-08 07:35 PM
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10. shanti, is that you?
Are you the same one who I used to see posting in the dungeon aa year or two ago?

I have really missed you. Where have you been? Did you take a break for a while or did I just not see your posts?
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shanti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 01:18 PM
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11. probably not
i think there's another du'er with shanti in their name (although i am the original ;)) i might have posted in the dungeon once or twice, but mostly hang out in GD :hi:
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FourScore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-27-08 02:23 PM
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12. Oh, well. I thought for sure you were her.
She used to have an image of a dancer with lots of firey colors in it... That wasn't you?

Whoever it was that I am thinking of frequently posted very kind remarks when I first started posting on DU. Back then, I psted in the dungeon some and saw her mostly there. Then I didn't see her anymore. And I stopped visiting the dungeon. Too contentious.

Oh, well. Nice to meet ya anyway.

:hi:
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