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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 05:55 PM
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Here's why I reluctantly support the bailout: Barack Hussein Obama.
Edited on Sun Sep-28-08 05:56 PM by pnwmom
My first feeling was shared by many here -- that this was a Chicken Little story -- "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" -- just like the lead-up to the Iraq war. And Paulsen's plan was such a clear power-grab, I think we were all justified in feeling this way.

But some cooler heads than ours have prevailed, and at the top of the list, IMHO, is Barack Obama. He advocated significant changes to the plan, and those have -- according to Obama this morning -- all been incorporated into the new proposal (bringing it from 3 pages to more than 100 pages).

So I've decided to trust Obama. I don't think he would be backing the plan out of ignorance or any nefarious reasons. This "bailout" is going to hamstring his administration. He CANNOT be happy about it. He's obviously decided that this is the best way out of a miserable situation. And, lacking any better choice, I'm going to trust him on this.



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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 05:57 PM
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1. I thought only right-wingers used his middle name
?
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 05:58 PM
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2. Clinton loyalists like it a lot too.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:01 PM
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6. I've never been an HRC supporter, or the supporter of anyone in the primary.
I can't believe that people might think it is an insult for a Democrat to proudly use his full name.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:03 PM
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10. (shrug) I didn't say it was an insult.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:05 PM
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14. No, but you were responding to someone who connected the use of the name
with right wingers.

I can't wait till we can fling that name into their faces.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 05:59 PM
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4. I'm not ashamed of his middle name. I'm proud of it.
It's a sign of our growing maturity as a country.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:00 PM
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5. Oh, was he elected yet?
I haven't seen the maturity at the polls yet!
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:02 PM
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8. He's the Democratic nominee, having attained 18 million votes.
Where I live, the name Hussein is not considered an insult.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:04 PM
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13. I can wait until after Nov. 4th to celebrate our county's new found open mindedness
Not before.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:06 PM
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17. So, until then, he and we are supposed to try to hide his middle name?
To act as if we're ashamed of it?


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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:08 PM
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18. Do whatever you want
I just remember Hannity, BillO and the rest of that ilk going out of their way to use his middle name while people on DU flipped out that they were trying to promote the false equality of Obama = Saddam & Barack = Muslim.

:shrug:
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:13 PM
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21. But DU isn't Fox news. Is it? Do we have to hide his name even here? n/t
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:19 PM
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23. Do whatever you want
I was just pointing out what the reaction was here on DU in the recent past.
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kenny blankenship Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:01 PM
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7. It will ring out on the west steps of the Capitol , January 20th, 2009
So brace yourself.
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:03 PM
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9. You bet it will
I can't wait :D
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:04 PM
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12. What? What's wrong with his middle name?
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HughMoran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:06 PM
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16. Nothing
But during the primaries, it was considered a RW tactic and only people like Hannity and BillO would go out of their way to use his middle name - for obvious "effect" reasons.
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:12 PM
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20. We can remove whatever stigma still attaches to the name by openly using it.
One day most Americans will associate it more with Barack Obama than with a far-off, long-dead dictator, who never attacked a single American.
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JDPriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 05:58 PM
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3. I'm an Obama supporter, but I prefer to think for myself, thank you.
I'm reading the proposal but it's going to take a while.

I like this much. I searched for this before reading the rest. If this had not been included, I would not have needed to read further. But at least we got this important change. I don't trust anyone who thinks he or she should be above the law. I don't trust Paulson and this provision gives me the hope that he won't be able to abuse his powers under the bill.

Section 119. Judicial Review and Related Matters.
Provides standards for judicial review, including injunctive and other relief, to ensure
that the actions of the Secretary are not arbitrary, capricious, or not in accordance with
law.

http://banking.senate.gov/public/_files/SECTIONBYSECTIONANALYSISOFTHELEGISLATION.pdf
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pnwmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:03 PM
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11. Thanks for the link. n/t
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Captiosus Donating Member (711 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:08 PM
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19. Judicial oversight is nice, but meaningless when Paulson
can determine what he thinks is "applicable" to disclose.

See Section 114(b). The ultimate authority on what to disclose from each deal isn't transparent at all and lays solely on the Secretary of the Treasury. So Judicial review only gets to see part of the picture, not the full one.


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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:19 PM
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24. Congress will put a lot of power in Henry Paulson...
...to make decisions if it passes this bill, instead of taking the time to make those decisions itself.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:05 PM
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15. Yep
kinda how I feel. Things are a changing, I hope anway
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:15 PM
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22. I want us to vote for Obama and donate to him, etc.,
...but he's in a different position from us in which he may want to show his willingness to work with Republicans to attract swing voters.

Obama voting for the bill doesn't mean that those of us who have seen Bush tell Congress-Rush! It's a crisis!- again and again are mistaken to say that Congress should slow down and study the issue for months.
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leftofcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:21 PM
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25. Sorry, I don't trust this at all
Dems made a big mistake. They just bought a billion dollars worth of bad paper.
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barbtries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 06:41 PM
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26. calm words in a storm
thanks. even if i still fear that he's being conned as well. i trust him more than most.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 07:22 PM
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27. I intensely dislike the bill, but I'll support Obama in this because he's our leader.
I trust his judgment more than that of any other Democrat, because he's earned that right to lead us.
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