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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:04 PM
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What would the lack of a Wall Street bailout mean to me?
Please give the best and worst case scenario, if you will. I just don't understand why we "have" to bail out these criminal bankers. I listened to Bush give his talk, and I kept thinking over and over - "why"?
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closeupready Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:09 PM
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1. Here's the thing: Plenty of people warned about this happening for YEARS.
yet, nobody listened. And here we are.

Well, now, those same people are saying, it's too late, it won't help. And the same bastards who failed to do anything when they could have are now saying, it's not too late, we have to act fast, and do it now!
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:10 PM
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3. Yes, it's too late to stop the worst of it.
Edited on Sun Sep-28-08 11:11 PM by girl gone mad
Yes we should do something to mitigate the crisis.

No, this bailout is not a good solution.

That's my position.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:13 PM
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4. but what will the crisis mean to me?
If it means less shit being sold in box stores, and a burst in the housing bubble, I can deal.
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girl gone mad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:25 PM
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9. The crisis would bring higher interest rates..
Edited on Sun Sep-28-08 11:25 PM by girl gone mad
meaning businesses might have a harder time getting credit.

Beyond that, people can only guess.

I'm of the school that something needs to be done to help any little guys that get run over by this, but we would be better off letting this event happen than facing Japanese-style lingering malaise.
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galileoreloaded Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:58 AM
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23. Yet, no bailout would raise interest rates, as well. Very dicey situation.....n/t
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rwheeler31 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:10 PM
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2. I am starting to hate these people, and I don't like it.
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scarletwoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:13 PM
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5. We'd have a smaller budget deficit, which means a better chance of digging out of the hole
that the bushies dug us into.

There's likely to be a crash no matter what. This bailout is basically about kicking it down the road until after they're out of office.

sw
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:15 PM
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6. The economy might be better if Congress doesn't spend....
...$700 billion on trash. That's my opinion.

Here is Henry Paulson's:

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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/25/12919/0524/517/609685

Senators described a very somber, serious meeting, with Paulson describing the risk of inaction and working hard to sell the plan to skeptical Democrats during the closed-door caucus meeting. Paulson said unemployment rates could approach 10 percent if the plan was not adopted, senators said, although he did indicate possible receptiveness to the idea of implementing it in stages. Such a plan, Paulson told senators, has worked in countries like Japan, where financial rescue plans were done in stages.

"He talked about the risks in the markets, the risk of the financial system locking up, the risk of companies not being able to borrow money, the risk of major firms failing, the risk of a substantial increase in unemployment," said (Budget Committee Chairman Kent Conrad (D-N.D.)).
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:15 PM
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7. I can only give you my reasons for saying "they have to".
I don't want to bail out any WS greedy criminals either, but...

Do you have a 401K

Do you think you miht need to buy a car in the forseeable future

The company you work for borrows $$ for daily operations. (95% pr businesses do.) Of they cannot get any credit, you won't get a paycheck!

The value of your home will continue to decline, and maybe radically!

Farmers all borrow $$ to plant crops then pay it back when they reap their crop. If they can't borrow, they can't plant. You don't eat!

If there's no credit, nobody has any money to buy anything, so businesses close, unemployment dramatically increases, and America as we know it dies.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:28 PM
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10. I'm comfortable with that
but I doubt I will get my way.

thanks for the reply.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:33 PM
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11. You're "comfortable" with that?
You do realize that people DIED in the Depression, including children. No money, no jobs, no insurance. This is more than people not being able to buy crap from Wal-Mart. It will threaten survival for many at its most basic level. That's a good thing? It's not like the people in the city can grown enough food to feed themselves.

I agree that there are many systemic problems in the current system, but I don't understand the people advocating a total collapse.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:26 AM
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17. we need a fair deal, like the new deal, but better
the only way I see us becoming a real socialist state is through this kind of collapse. How else will the people awake?
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:52 AM
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22. Hate to break the news to you
But the U.S. will never become a real socialist state.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:37 PM
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26. well then I can take what I can get, I guess
and be very glad that the bailout will be renegotiated...
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RoyGBiv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:43 PM
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15. You're comfortable with that!?

The mind reels.

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PVnRT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:19 AM
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19. Well, I'm glad you're comfortable with it
Me and my wife, though, since we have retirement accounts, I guess we deserve to be hurt, right? Only "rich" people have those things.

Then again, seeing your further repsone in this subthread tells me all I need to know about you.
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emilyg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:41 PM
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14. Intelligent post.
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Delphinus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:43 AM
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21. So,
I might just want to pull my 401k? Eat the taxes? Use it to pay off debt? Stay in debt and use it to stock up my pantry?
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:17 PM
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8. I heard others here argue that we could see our access to credit..
and that goes as far as check cashing and cash machine access being affected. Not that I care. I liked the cash system better anyway.
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prolesunited Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:35 PM
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12. Who's going to cash your payroll check?
Or are all the employers going back to cash as well?
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Mind_your_head Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-28-08 11:38 PM
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13. Bankers FAIL!
YOU win?!!!!! :-)

www.themoneychangers.com
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lamp_shade Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 04:13 AM
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16. Devastation. I'm 1-2 years from retirement and my investments
have dropped 30% in the last month or two. Something MUST be done... FAST.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 06:28 AM
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18. oh man
that is awful :(
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 07:21 AM
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20. Over-extension of credit was partly what caused this mess.
Edited on Mon Sep-29-08 07:21 AM by ShortnFiery
The lack of a bail out means that more of the Wealthy will NOT be able to take MY TAX DOLLARS and invest them overseas.

Let's all be AMERICANS and struggle through this together?
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rug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 08:04 AM
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24. Nothing. A professor once asked a student defending capitalism, "How many factories do you own?"
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ShortnFiery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-29-08 08:05 AM
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25. AMEN! This will help the wealthy invest and move overseas while we devolve into abject poverty. eom
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