65% of the people did not want this bailout

do you think you have representation? Was your voice heard? Is this your government?

Equal rights regardless of sex or sexual orientation?

Gay rights don't. It's as simple as that.

isn't the same as human rights.

100% of the people I know, AND the people I've overheard talking about it think it SUCKS!

People didn't have a clue then and they don't have a clue now. I'm glad the Senate didn't listen to a bunch of ignoramuses.

and in this case, you're supporting the liars.

The majority was against the invasion.

An early January 2003 poll showed rapidly decreasing support for an invasion, although there was still more public support than there was prior to the Gulf War a decade before. Much of this appeared to be for the same reason that France and Germany opposed the war; namely the US public believing that the weapons inspectors should be given the time they need to complete their investigations. US officials downplayed this shift in public opinion, claiming that it was not a true reflection of the public mood.

A poll conducted at the time by The New York Times and CBS News released showed even less support for the US-led war. Approximately 2 out of 3 respondents wanted the government to wait for the UN inspections to end, and only 31% supported using military force immediately. Interestingly, this same poll showed that a majority of Americans believed that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction, but did not expect UN inspectors to find them. These numbers indicated a dramatic drop in support, as, two months prior, most polls showed about two-thirds of those polled supporting military action. However, about 60% of those polled also supported, if necessary, the use of military action to remove Saddam from power which closely mirrored recent polls taken by Time Magazine, CNN, FOX News, USA Today, CBS News and other news organizations. Current polls also showed that most Americans did not think that Saddam was cooperating with inspectors. <5>

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_popular_opinion_of_invasion_of_Iraq#October_2002

Maybe 3/4's of those have a basic grasp of what the bill actually does to remedy the problems.

Just a guess, based on what I've read and from people who I've talked with personally and professionally.

400 Americans have as much wealth as 150 million other Americans.

Your 65% just doesn't count.

party notwithstanding. Our scum are merely a slightly better grade of scum.
But they still love the money.

mark

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vote for my representatives to obey the whims of public opinion. After all, public opinion was pro-fucking-war. I vote for my reps because I trust them to exercise good judgment.

what I wrote should be able to grasp that basic fact.

let's pound the house. call write email demonstrate...where do i go to demonstrate?!

If you're still in doubt read Michael Parenti's Democracy for the Few.

http://www.michaelparenti.org/books.html

and non-federal governments have to be able to get credit.

For fuck's sake, Massachusetts can't get credit. You think Ma and Pa's Restaurant or Tim's Package Store are going to be able to get operating funds? They don't go out and buy inventory using only the cash they kept in a sock for a rainy day, they use their credit lines and keep the cash in places where it's more useful, like equipment or investments.

Big business will survive a crash fine, it's the little guys that will get murdered and put out on the streets.

Because banks won't loan ANYONE money in this environment. They don't know who is solvent and who will go bankrupt the day after taking their money. Everyone is holding back until things "shake out," which will be several weeks too late for a lot of folks.

- I know because I work in a real-estate related industry and we've got home closings going on daily. Granted, sales aren't what they used to be and the home values are down but real estate IS selling. Do not be fooled into thinking that credit has dried up. Tightened up, maybe. Dried up, Absolutely Not.

Things vary depending on the bank, the borrower, and the region.

will be giving loans.

Apparently there are still a lot of small banks that are doing just fine. They didn't get into this scam like the BIG BANKS did. Maybe they wanted to and couldn't pony up for it. Who knows? But they are now secure and the BIG BANKS say they need money.

So, if you were waiting for a possible massive infusion of gummint $$$$ and you knew that the longer you kept everyone's credit and loan options fucked the better your chances of getting the $$$$$, what would you do? Assuming of course, that you are a scumbag who thinks that money and more money are the only two reasons to be alive.

These Bank folks are geniuses at manipulating the public and the gummint. Don't think this whole scene hasn't been thought through and all the angles have been considered. When getting BILLIONS OF $$$$ is your goal in life, you figure out how to do this shit. And you have lots of bright, eager geniuses to help you figure out how to manipulate the dummies--US.

why won't they?

And neither am I. I have enough economic problems as it is without wishing for a total collapse. If I wanted that, I could have moved to Russia in 1992.

by not wanting the bailout. It is your opinion that with no bailout things will turn out that way. On the other hand some of us feel that it will be worse with the bailout. Several bailouts occurred before the great depression. It still collapsed. Maybe that was why it didn't work before.

are holding the economy hostage until they can blackmail the public into taking the worthless paper off their hands.

Some guy on the internet talking shit about things he doesn't understand.

You do realize, don't you, that banks are required by regulations to have to have a certain amount of positive value in order to lend money?

If the negative side of your balance sheet suddenly becomes larger than your positives, ur fukt. When all of those mortage-backed securities lost their value-all of that "meaningless paper"-banks lost the ability to make loans and give credit in a very real and painful way.

Guess what, the CEO's won't be the ones who get to line up at the unemployment office on account of it. YEAH BOY, STICK IT TO THOSE RICH SONS OF BITCHES LOL!!!1111oneone

And silly me, i thought it was just because all of these bad mortgages were stuffed away into multiple securities so that there was no way to value them and thus banks were unsure of who actually has what.

That requires credit to fuel it. I have no way of knowing if this is smart economic policy, but I trust people like Paul Krugman who thinks this is needed.

Oppose the Iraq War and want universal health care.

http://efinancedirectory.com/articles/62_Percent_of_Americans_Against_Subprime_Mortgage_Bailout.html
http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2008/09/25/illegal coders_dont_want_immediate_bailout/UPI-98651222363756/

http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/29/magazines/fortune/nobailout_easton.fortune/index.htm?postversion=200809291
Representatives were flooded with calls today with people not wanting this bailout. And no I'm not going to show you the proof because you will have another excuse and that is what they are.

777 point drop in the Dow.


And before Wachovia was bought out by CitiGroup


And before the state of Massachusetts was denied credit.


And before every major automaker reported a 30%+ decline in sales the last quarter.


And before AT&T was unable to get credit today.


Public opinion has shifted strongly TOWARD a bailout in the past 48 hours. The public got spooked by reality.

How many people were voting for Republicans because Republicans say they are anti-tax?

How many people voted for W because they thought it was fun to have a beer with him?

some of us however understand the need for social security, health care and so forth. Not welfare for corporations.

This deal is not about "corporations' ... this deal is about correcting a situation created by greedy assholes.

It is important to remember how we got here...as soon as we make sure that we don't impose more suffering on the poor.

Greed brought us here. How do we help the poor and less fortunate? We have plenty of self-righteous people here on DU. How do YOU prevent the impeding disaster?

with 69% taxes? Give the money directly to them. Next?

How about supporting your stuff with some links?

do you even read before you post a reply. Would you be OK with paying 69% in taxes? You said you were happy to pay taxes. Would you be happy to pay 69%? Here is the link:iaskedyouaquestion@youanswerthequestion.com

Good luck. I see a pizza in your future

wouldn't suggest that you give the money directly to the poor fyi. Are you sure your a democrat?

Voters may oppose the bailout, but they will choose primarily between Obama and McCain. As long as Obama is seen as more reasonable and responsible than McCain, he wins. And he has.

that Obama had this won, that he would have to do something to loose it. Their prediction was right. With this economic situation it all but made the tombstone for McCain. He didn't know it but the reason he received the nomination was because it was a token for all the years of service. They new this would happen.

Collectively...we have to get noisier --