Anyone who says homosexuality or heterosexuality is moral

or immoral, is making an uninformed opinion.

Whether the act of sex of either variety is moral/immoral depends on the specifics of that act. A blanket disposition of morality or immorality is foolish.

Not to mention, its not for politicians to decide what is moral/immoral. Politicians are supposed to decide what is good public policy and thats all.

I don't need anyone to tell me I'm moral. I know I'm moral.

Stop asking foolish questions and you'll stop getting foolish answers.

I don't WANT politicians speaking about morality. Her answer was correct - it's not her job to decide such things.

It's not really a case of a particular sex act being called immoral - it's the person being called immoral for being homosexual

Heterosexuals engage in anal sex and oral sex and all kinds of sex inbetween...yet no one is asking if heterosexuality is immoral

so it's not the act being labled immoral....it's the person being labeled immoral for nothing more than existing.

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Navel? :rofl: (I'm old and celibate but always willing to learn something new.)

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Just curious. And nosy, I guess!

and I forgot the smilie. OOps.

wait a minute, I think I got that mixed up?

which part is the moral or immoral? Is it the killing or the sexual orientation?

I guess our country knows where its priorities are

are moral any time soon.

so?

this admin is lying/stealing/killing with apparantly no moral repurcussions.


however i am ofcourse clearly going to hell cos i think girls are hot

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than starting a war that's killed tens of thousands of Americans and Iraqis. Damn your immorality

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I like your sig line :thumbsup:

When we have real things to think about...like how people fuck.

That said, the woman/Hillary was asked a direct question in response to what General Pace said. She could have and should have, taken a stand. I will not alter my opinion on this. She copped out. Politically, maybe that was wise. We always get shoved to the back anyway, why not by one of our supposed allies.
Lee

answer a simple question, "Is homosexuality immoral?" with a "no", then they can get the hell out of my wallet.

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public/government official. His position is passed on by the Senate. Pace was saying that all who are homosexual are immoral by definition. I think that it is the obligation of political leaders to now state clearly whether they agree with Pace's views or not. A large part of the citizenry have been described by a member of our government as immoral, why isn't that an issue for our elected (or wannabe) officials?

She DID say that she disagreed with Pace in her subsequent press release:

"I disagree with what he said and do not share his view, plain and simple."

"It is inappropriate to inject such personal views into this public policy matter, especially at a time in which there are young men and women in such grave circumstances in Iraq, in Afghanistan, and around the world"

I'm dismayed that we jump on a quote made on the spot, by a politician who is and should be aware of every word coming from her mouth, rather than concentrating on her official stance. We jump all over one little quote, when we as human beings make mistakes constantly, instead of congratulating her for speaking in support of gay rights just weeks before at the HRC, and for issuing a press release after this interview to clarify her position that she DOES NOT SHARE HIS VIEW.

that homosexuality is immoral, yet being in favor of certain gay rights.

Why would one be in favor of any right that furthers immorality?

It either shows that she'll do or say anything to get elected or she's a hypocrite.

Maybe you can explain which it is.

What it shows me is that she wasn't prepared for the question and made a non-committal answer that she later clarified, and most likely regrets having made. Ever happen to you? It has to me.

Homosexuality wasn't discovered yesterday.

Someone as smart as Hillary Clinton doesn't and shouldn't need even half a second to think of an answer.

Come on now.

She didn't want to answer.

She didn't, but she followed up with an official statement with the "right" answer. I'm just not willing to throw someone under the bus because of one momentary lapse in judgement about how to answer a question. Especially someone who is very vocal in her support of gay rights.

immediately answer that question.

Even John Edwards, who grew up a Southern Baptist and admits he has problems understanding homosexuality had to the guts to immediately answer "no," when Tim Russert asked him if he thought homosexuality is a sin.

Hillary has major damage control ahead if she thinks she's going to walk away with the gay vote.

I can tell you she does not have my vote as it stands now.

as "immoral", I don't see why we shouldn't expect other public figures to stand up for said citizens and call "bullshit".

They hear the word and they immediately think about penises.

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Wow!! I couldn't have said it better. In fact, I didn't say it better or anywhere near as well. Thank-you.

Everyone read that?!

"Avoiding the condemnation of bigotry is immoral."


Lee

Politicians are supposed to decide what is good public policy and thats all.

This is gold.

To be homosexual or heterosexual.

I have no choice but to be heterosexual.

It's not hurting anyone. Calling homosexuality immoral is like calling a gallon of milk immoral. It's nonsense.

I suppose you could say consentual sex (homosexual or heterosexual) is moral in the sense that it's an expression of affection, and reinforces a bond. But even that is sort of a stretch. I just don't even see how it's connected to morality.

To her credit, Clinton has issued the following statement:

I have heard from many of my friends in the gay community that my response yesterday to a question about homosexuality being immoral sounded evasive. My intention was to focus the conversation on the failed don’t ask don’t tell policy. I should have echoed my colleague Senator John Warner’s statement forcefully stating that homosexuality is not immoral because that is what I believe.