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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 11:52 AM
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Virginia?!!! I mean fucking Virginia?? What the hell is going on?
Edited on Mon Oct-06-08 11:59 AM by cali
Two new polls today of Virginia, SUSA and Suffolk U, have Obama up 10 and 12 points respectively?

That's just incredible. I can't even imagine seeing VA a blue state on election night.

http://www.pollster.com/blogs/va_obama_51_mccain_39_suffolk1.php
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 11:54 AM
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1. For reals??
You know we have not won VA since 1964?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:00 PM
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9. for reals, ronny, and I added a link to the Suffolk U poll.
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Indiana_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:09 PM
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18. Neither has Indiana...I sure hope our polls flip like that! nt
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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 11:54 AM
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2. Virginia will be a very good barometer of things.....
Wasn't Virginia one of the few states that didn't go for Clinton in either '92 or '96?


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billyoc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 11:55 AM
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3. Hey, you win some, you lose some.
Looks like you win this one. :hi:
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 11:55 AM
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4. Obama...
Biden and Michelle have visited Virginia 12 times between them.

I read yesterday the Virginia GOP was whining that McCain needs to visit. Plus his brother called the whole north of the state communists.
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arcadian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:01 PM
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11. McCain visited Richmond in June.
That was a closed group of 100-200 loyal supporters. He "visits" certain places in NoVa, indiviual financial backers and such just because it's close to D.C. but he hasn't gone out into the rural area like Obama has. Obama visited coal miners in the soutwestern part of the state. Biden visited the heavily pro-military Hampton Roads area and Michelle visited Richmond. They have really fanned out.
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Heather MC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:28 PM
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33. Yeppers I am in Proud Communist Country for Obama!!!
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 11:56 AM
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5. Virginia has been making a long, slow, blue turn since 2000. nt
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kansasblue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 11:58 AM
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6. Northern VA is very metropolitan.
Close to DC and growing. And that growing population is helping change the state to blue.
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 11:59 AM
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7. I'm moving there in a couple weeks. This couldn't be
better news for me to hear right now. From red hell to freshly new blue. I love it!
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chupacabranation Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:01 PM
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12. Welcome in advance!!!! I live in NOVA - it's getting more and more liberal...
...due to the influx of contracting/gov/commercial professionals in the area.

Thank goodness for our 'commie' ways!
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:02 PM
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14. Absolutely Chupacabra!
nt
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Subdivisions Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:07 PM
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15. I'll be moving to the Hampton Roads area. I understand they're one
Edited on Mon Oct-06-08 12:08 PM by Texas Explorer
of the last areas of VA to come around to our way of thinking. When I get there, I will lend them a helping hand the rest of the way over to our side.
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Tangerine LaBamba Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:08 PM
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16. Welcome to DU!
I've lived in Alexandria since 1973, and the area has always been "blue," despite the heavy population of retired military. In fact, Alexandria is commonly referred to as "The People's Republic Of Alexandria."

The area is just a great place to live. We have loved it all these years.

But, Virginia can be a fooler. In 1990, we elected the first black Governor in the United States, along with an openly lesbian Attorney General and a straight white male Lieutenant Governor.

So, while it's got a rep as a red state, it's trickier than that.

Mr. Jefferson would be so pleased at the current developments, I believe.
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godai Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 11:59 AM
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8. NOVA rules!!
The new residents in Northern Virginia are predominantly Democrats, plus the new voter registration efforts have been excellent. Sen Macaca...gone, old Sen. Warner being replaced by Mark Warner. Plus, Gov. Kaine, and a Democratic majority for Obama and the picture is complete.

The battle is not over yet but looking good.

No political signs are permitted in our development but I noticed a McCain/Palin sign over the weekend. Called to report it today and the guy on the phone said he had a lot of reports but not the one I was reporting. Still a lot of Republicans around but the number is dropping, year by year.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:01 PM
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13. Yes we do.
As a newer VA transplant (2005) I was glad to be the several hundred reasons why Jim Webb won over Macaca and his magical football.

The same goes for Obama and his VA victory over Bush III (or Reagan IV depending on how you look at it.)
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JohnnyBoots Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:08 PM
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17. I moved into NOVA from DC, just in time to vote for the election. I am psyched my vote
will actually mean something as opposed to DC.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:12 PM
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20. Yup.
I was living in DC prior to VA. A vote there is a vote wasted. Sad fact.
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:00 PM
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10. It is easy to be mistaken around here.
We have our comfortable narratives, our favorite expectations of what will happen and when, in politics, when in fact, politics is people and people surprise you.

There are just as many people in Virginia who are hurting from the last eight years as there are anywhere else.

My parents used to live in Warm Springs, a town in the mountains of southwest VA. One would think that these would have been some of the most backwards, freeped-out folks on the planet. They weren't. They were wonderful and they treated my parents like gold.
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kegler14 Donating Member (541 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:09 PM
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19. Two things.
I think Mason-Dixon is more the gold standard and it doesn't show anything of the kind.

Remember when Doug Wilder was leading by a ton and then barely squeaked through.
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ingac70 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:12 PM
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21. Mason Dixon showed Romney over McCain....
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:15 PM
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:16 PM
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:16 PM
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PerfectSage Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:16 PM
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Edited on Mon Oct-06-08 12:17 PM by PerfectSage
The wheels are falling off the straight BS express campaign.
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endthewar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:23 PM
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31. Bwahahahahaha!
Creative indeed! :rofl:
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:23 PM
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32. I second that emotion
:rofl:
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KansDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:32 PM
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34. This is why you don't put the loser in the White House...
I truly believe the whole 2000 debacle is coming back to bite the GOP in the ass--BIG TIME!!!

Sure, there are other factors as well:
9/11 when we were attacked by Bush's friends and business partners; the Saudis.
Iraq lies
Plame outing
Katrina
Torture
Politicization of the judiciary
Wall Street meltdown
etc.

Remember, this was all perpetuated by the losers.

But it all began with Stolen Election 2000: the 800-pound gorilla that nobody wanted to talk about except those of us on the left. GOP ignored it, neo-cons ignored it, and their shills in CorpMedia ignored it, but it festered like some infected boil and now is ready to explode and take down the f*cking sons-of-bitches that thought they could get away with it.

And it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch!
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:46 PM
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35. Remember, Virginia elected Doug Wilder as governor in the 80s
African Americans who are perceived as moderates have a much better shot in Virginia than we give them credit for. I'm from NYC, but my grannie had a farm in Va, and I spent my summers there as a kid and have been many times.

It's not a typical southern state even away from northern Va. It's a very, very strange, unpredictable place for the south.
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Oct-06-08 12:56 PM
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36. Cali -- as a lifelong Virginian, let me say that my reaction is the same as yours
And, in the spirit of my disbelieving, I'm not going to let up a bit until the votes are counted. I"m distributing yard signs to some of my neighbors today. And calling Jim Webb's office to get him to put up a yard sign too. (He lives down the street from me).
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