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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 02:26 PM
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This is NOT the end of the American Republic. It is the beginning of a new era of democracy.
This nation has survived far worse than 9/11 or for that matter George W. Bush.

We have fought a revolution, had our capitol burned, fought a civil war that killed fully 1 in 50 Americans, fought 2 world wars, been through several depressions including the Great Depression and even had a President resign in disgrace.

The Republic lives!

We are on the cusp of seeing a rebirth of democratic government in the form of Barack Obama and a Democratic Congress and Senate that the Republicans will be unable to impede. The Reagan Revolution is over - Bush was its swan song.

Obama himself calls on us to be hopeful not fearful. Fear is Republican, not Democratic. Don't lead fear lead you into the dark side.

"My fellow Americans, our long national nightmare is over. Our Constitution works; our great Republic is a government of laws and not of men. Here the people rule." - Gerald R. Ford, 38th President of the United States, August 9th, 1974 (1974-1977)

http://www.watergate.info/sounds/74-08-09_ford-remarks-on-taking-office.ram

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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 02:28 PM
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1. The CD player is skipping......
:eyes:

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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 02:29 PM
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2. more like a broken record
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Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 02:51 PM
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13. A pathetically transparent broken record at that
but slad....:yourock:



Alyce
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 02:32 PM
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5. I think it needs to be repeated amid all the "the US is dying" crap
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greguganus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 02:31 PM
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3. Some people love gloom n' doom. Don't piss on their pity party. n/t
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 02:33 PM
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melody Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 02:31 PM
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4. Our country will be just fine, thanks for making the point
The country our founders intended was not an empire.
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canetoad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 02:33 PM
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7. But can you survive China?
End of America's era - now it is China that calls the tune



The world order is changing, because China is propping up the US, writes John Garnaut.

SO THE Group of Seven leaders have vowed to "take all necessary steps" to stop the world's financial immolation. That's good news. But first they are doing whatever is necessary to secure for themselves what is left of their toasted assets.
http://business.smh.com.au/business/end-of-americas-era--now-it-is-china-that-calls-the-tune-20081012-4z57.html
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 02:36 PM
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8. I have faith in America and faith in our Constitution and faith in Obama.
We can survive China.

America hasn't always been a superpower or even a financial superpower. There is nothing we cannot survive if our hearts are in it.

http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/fdrfirstinaugural.html

President Hoover, Mr. Chief Justice, my friends:

This is a day of national consecration. And I am certain that on this day my fellow Americans expect that on my induction into the Presidency, I will address them with a candor and a decision which the present situation of our people impels.

This is preeminently the time to speak the truth, the whole truth, frankly and boldly. Nor need we shrink from honestly facing conditions in our country today. This great Nation will endure, as it has endured, will revive and will prosper.

So, first of all, let me assert my firm belief that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself -- nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror which paralyzes needed efforts to convert retreat into advance. In every dark hour of our national life, a leadership of frankness and of vigor has met with that understanding and support of the people themselves which is essential to victory. And I am convinced that you will again give that support to leadership in these critical days.

In such a spirit on my part and on yours we face our common difficulties. They concern, thank God, only material things. Values have shrunk to fantastic levels; taxes have risen; our ability to pay has fallen; government of all kinds is faced by serious curtailment of income; the means of exchange are frozen in the currents of trade; the withered leaves of industrial enterprise lie on every side; farmers find no markets for their produce; and the savings of many years in thousands of families are gone. More important, a host of unemployed citizens face the grim problem of existence, and an equally great number toil with little return. Only a foolish optimist can deny the dark realities of the moment.

And yet our distress comes from no failure of substance. We are stricken by no plague of locusts. Compared with the perils which our forefathers conquered, because they believed and were not afraid, we have still much to be thankful for. Nature still offers her bounty and human efforts have multiplied it. Plenty is at our doorstep, but a generous use of it languishes in the very sight of the supply.

Primarily, this is because the rulers of the exchange of mankind's goods have failed, through their own stubbornness and their own incompetence, have admitted their failure, and have abdicated. Practices of the unscrupulous money changers stand indicted in the court of public opinion, rejected by the hearts and minds of men.

True, they have tried. But their efforts have been cast in the pattern of an outworn tradition. Faced by failure of credit, they have proposed only the lending of more money. Stripped of the lure of profit by which to induce our people to follow their false leadership, they have resorted to exhortations, pleading tearfully for restored confidence. They only know the rules of a generation of self-seekers. They have no vision, and when there is no vision the people perish.

Yes, the money changers have fled from their high seats in the temple of our civilization. We may now restore that temple to the ancient truths. The measure of that restoration lies in the extent to which we apply social values more noble than mere monetary profit.

Happiness lies not in the mere possession of money; it lies in the joy of achievement, in the thrill of creative effort. The joy, the moral stimulation of work no longer must be forgotten in the mad chase of evanescent profits. These dark days, my friends, will be worth all they cost us if they teach us that our true destiny is not to be ministered unto but to minister to ourselves, to our fellow men.

Recognition of that falsity of material wealth as the standard of success goes hand in hand with the abandonment of the false belief that public office and high political position are to be valued only by the standards of pride of place and personal profit; and there must be an end to a conduct in banking and in business which too often has given to a sacred trust the likeness of callous and selfish wrongdoing. Small wonder that confidence languishes, for it thrives only on honesty, on honor, on the sacredness of obligations, on faithful protection, and on unselfish performance; without them it cannot live.

Restoration calls, however, not for changes in ethics alone. This Nation is asking for action, and action now.

Our greatest primary task is to put people to work. This is no unsolvable problem if we face it wisely and courageously. It can be accomplished in part by direct recruiting by the Government itself, treating the task as we would treat the emergency of a war, but at the same time, through this employment, accomplishing great -- greatly needed projects to stimulate and reorganize the use of our great natural resources.

Hand in hand with that we must frankly recognize the overbalance of population in our industrial centers and, by engaging on a national scale in a redistribution, endeavor to provide a better use of the land for those best fitted for the land.

Yes, the task can be helped by definite efforts to raise the values of agricultural products, and with this the power to purchase the output of our cities. It can be helped by preventing realistically the tragedy of the growing loss through foreclosure of our small homes and our farms. It can be helped by insistence that the Federal, the State, and the local governments act forthwith on the demand that their cost be drastically reduced. It can be helped by the unifying of relief activities which today are often scattered, uneconomical, unequal. It can be helped by national planning for and supervision of all forms of transportation and of communications and other utilities that have a definitely public character. There are many ways in which it can be helped, but it can never be helped by merely talking about it.

We must act. We must act quickly.

And finally, in our progress towards a resumption of work, we require two safeguards against a return of the evils of the old order. There must be a strict supervision of all banking and credits and investments. There must be an end to speculation with other people's money. And there must be provision for an adequate but sound currency.

These, my friends, are the lines of attack. I shall presently urge upon a new Congress in special session detailed measures for their fulfillment, and I shall seek the immediate assistance of the 48 States.

Through this program of action we address ourselves to putting our own national house in order and making income balance outgo. Our international trade relations, though vastly important, are in point of time, and necessity, secondary to the establishment of a sound national economy. I favor, as a practical policy, the putting of first things first. I shall spare no effort to restore world trade by international economic readjustment; but the emergency at home cannot wait on that accomplishment.

The basic thought that guides these specific means of national recovery is not nationally -- narrowly nationalistic. It is the insistence, as a first consideration, upon the interdependence of the various elements in and parts of the United States of America -- a recognition of the old and permanently important manifestation of the American spirit of the pioneer. It is the way to recovery. It is the immediate way. It is the strongest assurance that recovery will endure.

In the field of world policy, I would dedicate this Nation to the policy of the good neighbor: the neighbor who resolutely respects himself and, because he does so, respects the rights of others; the neighbor who respects his obligations and respects the sanctity of his agreements in and with a world of neighbors.

If I read the temper of our people correctly, we now realize, as we have never realized before, our interdependence on each other; that we can not merely take, but we must give as well; that if we are to go forward, we must move as a trained and loyal army willing to sacrifice for the good of a common discipline, because without such discipline no progress can be made, no leadership becomes effective.

We are, I know, ready and willing to submit our lives and our property to such discipline, because it makes possible a leadership which aims at the larger good. This, I propose to offer, pledging that the larger purposes will bind upon us, bind upon us all as a sacred obligation with a unity of duty hitherto evoked only in times of armed strife.

With this pledge taken, I assume unhesitatingly the leadership of this great army of our people dedicated to a disciplined attack upon our common problems.

Action in this image, action to this end is feasible under the form of government which we have inherited from our ancestors. Our Constitution is so simple, so practical that it is possible always to meet extraordinary needs by changes in emphasis and arrangement without loss of essential form. That is why our constitutional system has proved itself the most superbly enduring political mechanism the modern world has ever seen.

It has met every stress of vast expansion of territory, of foreign wars, of bitter internal strife, of world relations. And it is to be hoped that the normal balance of executive and legislative authority may be wholly equal, wholly adequate to meet the unprecedented task before us. But it may be that an unprecedented demand and need for undelayed action may call for temporary departure from that normal balance of public procedure.

I am prepared under my constitutional duty to recommend the measures that a stricken nation in the midst of a stricken world may require. These measures, or such other measures as the Congress may build out of its experience and wisdom, I shall seek, within my constitutional authority, to bring to speedy adoption.

But, in the event that the Congress shall fail to take one of these two courses, in the event that the national emergency is still critical, I shall not evade the clear course of duty that will then confront me. I shall ask the Congress for the one remaining instrument to meet the crisis -- broad Executive power to wage a war against the emergency, as great as the power that would be given to me if we were in fact invaded by a foreign foe.

For the trust reposed in me, I will return the courage and the devotion that befit the time. I can do no less.

We face the arduous days that lie before us in the warm courage of national unity; with the clear consciousness of seeking old and precious moral values; with the clean satisfaction that comes from the stern performance of duty by old and young alike. We aim at the assurance of a rounded, a permanent national life.

We do not distrust the -- the future of essential democracy. The people of the United States have not failed. In their need they have registered a mandate that they want direct, vigorous action. They have asked for discipline and direction under leadership. They have made me the present instrument of their wishes. In the spirit of the gift I take it.

In this dedication -- In this dedication of a Nation, we humbly ask the blessing of God.

May He protect each and every one of us.

May He guide me in the days to come.
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canetoad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 02:38 PM
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9. Praise be to Jingo! nt
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:25 PM
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19. How impressed am I supposed to be by China,
when we could bring them to their knees by missing a few debt payments and not buying their products for a month? They are completely dependent on us, not vice versa.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:48 PM
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22. China is not in control, and it is going to be no rescuer.
Edited on Sun Oct-12-08 04:12 PM by Waiting For Everyman
The American consumer is the only "consumer of last resort" which can keep the world from falling into a global depression.

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article4912632.ece

No other country has the ability to be its own market. Period. That means the world still needs us more than we need it.

Now the only way out is the "rising tide raises all boats" philosophy of government - that's American. It's how we got prosperous enough to screw up this bad. As others have said, we can do it again, we've done it before - several times. All we have to do, is go back and read the blueprint from the last time, and update it.

China will be calling no tunes, it will be hoping we pull this out of the hat, b/c it is heavily invested in our paper. And btw, there will be no Chinese buying of assets here in a big way. The tide is going the other way (toward unprivatizing).

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Poseidan Donating Member (630 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 02:40 PM
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10. the republic..
Edited on Sun Oct-12-08 02:41 PM by Poseidan
The pledge of allegiance was written in 1892, long after our founders died. The fact is, the United States has never been a Republic. Every single state is a Republic, which sort of makes the United States a Republic, but only when you do not take into consideration the other components (a federal government, local governments, and the various Constitutions).

Luckily, the Republic won't die, because there was no Republic to begin with. Calling the United States a Republic is almost as bad, and untruthful, as saying the United States is a 'Christian nation'.
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 02:55 PM
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14. It IS a Republic.
A republic is a state or country that is not led by a hereditary monarch,<1><2> but in which the people (or at least a part of its people)<3> have impact on its government.<4><5> The word originates from the Latin term res publica, which literally translates as "public thing" or "public matter"

Source: wiki

Do you dispute that ours is a representative democratic Republic?

If so then you are not working in the reality domain.

Doug D.
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Mme. Defarge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 02:45 PM
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11. Give us a level playing field
and I will bet the farm on American ingenuity, community spirit and sense of humor -- and never look back.
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soothsayer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 02:48 PM
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12. if we want democracy and soveeignty we need to
do away with black budgets (funding done with our money with no congressional oversight), and we need to require all agencies to report their spending each year and where it went, and we need to produce maps down to the neighborhood or street level as to where the money went. when you see the data that way, you'll be appropriately outraged and will work to ensure that our monies get spread around a bit more fairly. and we need to overturn and outlaw a bunch of this spying on citizens crap. if we do that, we'll be on our way. but will we see those things happen?
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:00 PM
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15. "May you live in interesting times." Chinese curse.
The times have, indeed, become very interesting. "Change" will, undoubtedly, occur. Not at the behest of politicians, who only react, but because of the forces which push the people to demand change.

Will the Republic survive? Not as it is. Will America go quietly to it's future as a has-been power? Or, will it do what other crumbling empires have done and destroy itself rather than bend?

It will certainly be "interesting" to watch.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:56 PM
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23. America never wanted to be a power, nor was it designed to be.
The global elites wanted to use our wealth to create an empire for THEMSELVES. They got away with it for a time, but reality has its way eventually.

The fears in Europe about American becoming "isolationist" again are already appearing in articles. Now why is that, do you think?

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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:06 PM
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24. Sheer necessity.
We're becoming "isolationist" (I hope) because we've spent our way out of power. Much like the Soviet Union did in it's bid for empire.

America is on the wane. Which is fine by me. Hopefully we'll exit, at least somewhat, gracefully. Though empires seldom do.

Either way, it'll be an be an interesting show.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:15 PM
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25. I don't think any empires should succeed.
They are always oligarchies. Yes, though, I agree with you, the next chapter will be interesting. Unless Obama loses, that is. Then, it will just be grim.
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:20 PM
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26. And, messy.
Tho' I'm not all that big of an Obama fan, he does seem to be able to see beyond the "USA!! USA!!" crapola and is, at least, open to the idea that there is a world out beyond our shores that we should make an attempt to get along with for a change.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:02 PM
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16. We Who Wail will slink quietly into that good night
But it's so fun to wring my hands, gnash my teeth, studiously apply the ash to my face, and rally the troops in anticipation of black helicopters, New & Improved mind control for the masses, martial law, and other assorted dystopian fantasies brought to us by hack-authored, badly written science fiction movies, all from the comfort of my lounge chair and laptop PC, whilst playing the biggest and baddest shoot-me-up PC game to better validate my opinions.

Although I imagine that We Who Wail will slink quietly into that good night, tail between our legs on the historic and monumental moment in January when Pres. Obama is sworn in, and your only remembrance of us will be the pee stain we left on the carpet when we finally realized that America will have a bright new day that my baseless paranoia and visions of the all-important Black-Booted Thugs will not allow me to enjoy.

(Well, either that or we'll just sign up with a new user-name on DU and pretend we knew all along how that bright, shining truth you so aptly penned would indeed come to pass...)
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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:04 PM
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17. Thanks!
:)
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skooooo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:13 PM
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18. I feel the same way...

My family has been here for generations and they saw much worse than this.
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:28 PM
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20. Exactly! This is restoration of our system of gov't, not it's end.
Reagan Conservatism may take up most of today's adults' memory, but it was NOT American. It was a propaganda sub-coup, within a coup. This has been an ongoing struggle to take back our country ever since JFK's murder.

This time, I think it's time.

Every so often we fight this battle b/c people forget the last one, that was about the same thing. We really need some better textbooks, and public schools.


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ddeclue Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 03:28 PM
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21. Exactement!
tres bien dit!

:)
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Waiting For Everyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:25 PM
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27. :)
Merci. :) Et vous aussi, dans l'OP.

(High school French, 40 years ago.)
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 04:37 PM
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28. Quoting Ford now to make your point?
I appreciate your optimism in our system man, wish I had hope like that.
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timtom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Oct-12-08 05:29 PM
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29. I like your spunk, kid.
Don't worry about these nay-sayers and mockers.

America needs to pick herself up, dust herself off, and start all over again (thanks, Fred and Ginger).

I, myself, feel strangely optimistic and upbeat in the face of untold gloom.
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Rancid Crabtree Donating Member (138 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-14-08 06:02 AM
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30. unanimous consent of the governed?
instead of whoever can muster the larger number, real or imagined? There's still a huge federal bureaucracy in place, a tax code that is over a hundred thousand pages, and at the end of the day, I'll keep my powder dry and the ground tilled, the garden weeded and the favorite fishing holes mapped...since I've been old enough to vote, the various Congresses and presidencies have come and gone, for the most, I don't have a clue what they've done, other than fudge things up, and until I die, I'll live till.
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