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marmar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 07:42 AM
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Bill Scher: Will McCain Walk Into an Ayers Trap Tonight?
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Will McCain Walk Into an Ayers Trap Tonight?

Posted by Bill Scher, Liberal Oasis at 3:12 AM on October 15, 2008.

Something tells me if McCain follows through with his threat to bring up William Ayers, it will be really be the end.



After the last debate, Sen. Barack Obama noted the McCain campaign was making "over-the-top attacks ... that he wasn't willing to say it to my face." Yesterday, McCain responded that "I think he's probably ensured that it (Bill Ayers) will come up this time," at tomorrow's final debate.

Something tells me if McCain follows through with that, it will be really be the end.

Having watched the very methodical and prepared Obama campaign all year, it is doubtful Obama would essentially dare McCain to say Ayers to his face without knowing exactly what he would say in response.

And what might he say?

Recall the first presidential debate. President George H.W. Bush made a predictable attack on then-Gov. Bill Clinton's patriotism, and Clinton was ready:

JIM LEHRER: President Bush, the question goes to you. you have two minutes. And the question is this: Are there important issues of character separating you from these other two men?

BUSH: I think the American people should be the judge of that. I think character is a very important question. I said something the other day where I was accused of being like Joe McCarthy because I questioned -- I put it this way; I think it's wrong to demonstrate against your own country or organize demonstrations against your own country in foreign soil. I just think it's wrong.

I -- well, maybe they say, "Well, it was a youthful indiscretion." I was 19 or 20 flying off an aircraft carrier and that shaped me to be Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces and I'm sorry, but demonstrating -- it's not a question of patriotism. It's a question of character and judgment.

They get on me -- Bill's gotten on me about, "read my lips." When I make a mistake I'll admit it. But he has made -- not admitted a mistake and I just find it impossible to understand how an American can demonstrate against his own country in a foreign land -- organizing demonstrations against it when young men are held prisoner in Hanoi or kids out of the ghetto were drafted.

Some say, "well, you're a little old fashioned." Maybe I am, but I just don't think that's right. Now, whether it's character or judgment -- whatever it is -- I have a big difference here on this issue and so we'll just have to see how it plays out. But I -- I couldn't do that. And I don't think most Americans could do that.

And they all say, "Well, it was a long time ago." Well, let's admit it then. Say, "I made a terrible mistake." How could you be Commander-in-Chief of the armed forces and have some kid say -- when you have to make a tough decision, as I did in Panama or Kuwait and then have some kid jump up and say, "Well, I'm not going to go. The Commander-in-Chief was organizing demonstrations halfway around the world during another era. So there are differences but that's about the main area where I think we have a difference ...

CLINTON: ... I've got to respond directly to Mr. Bush. You have questioned my patriotism. You even brought some right-wing congressman into the White House to plot how to attack me for going to Russia in 1969-70, when over 50,000 other Americans did.

Now, I honor your service in World War II, I honor Mr. Perot's service in uniform and the service of every man and woman who ever served, including Admiral Crowe, who was your Chairman of the joint Chiefs and who's supporting me.

But when Joe McCarthy went around this country attacking people's patriotism he was wrong. He was wrong.

And a senator from Connecticut stood up to him named Prescott Bush. Your father was right to stand up to Joe McCarthy, you were wrong to attack my patriotism.

I was opposed to the war but I loved my country and we need a president who will bring this country together, not divide it. We've had enough division. I want to lead a unified country.

(APPLAUSE)


Clinton brought up Bush's father to make his point. Obama has an even straighter shot to take.

How hard will it be for Obama to bring up the deluge of smears McCain suffered at the hands of George W. Bush in 2000, a shameful episode that prompted McCain's then-and-now campaign manager Rick Davis to lament and lambaste the widespread use of smear tactics in a 2004 Boston Globe op-ed. ..........(more)

The complete piece is at: http://www.alternet.org/blogs/peek/103047/will_mccain_walk_into_an_ayers_trap_tonight/




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no limit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 07:49 AM
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1. I wasn't around that long ago so it kind of suprised me they were question patriotism even then
I guess not much has changed.

If McCain brings up Ayers Obama should mention Liddy.
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ayeshahaqqiqa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 07:53 AM
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2. Patriotism has been questioned since the start of the Cold War
I am old enough to remember having to sign "I am not a Communist" affidavits to get a job.
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 09:26 AM
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10. Even before that.
World War I had its own spate of red baiting here in America, too.
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TexasObserver Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 07:56 AM
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3. Yep. Obama has a haymaker waiting, and Grumpy is going to step right into it.
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Mira Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 07:59 AM
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4. Here's what will happen (little visual) if he brings it up
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Myrina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 08:05 AM
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5. Obama Response should be: "Senator, I was SEVEN years old ..."
" ... when Ayers was involved with the WU. SEVEN. And I did not know him then. So what's your point?"
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 08:38 AM
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7. Obama only needs to point out that list of Ambassadors that McCain released last week....
That list was former US Ambassadors that endorsed John McCain and on that list is Lenore Annenberg. Mrs. Annenberg and her husbands were the ones that put together that organization and selected Bill Ayers and Barack Obama to serve on it.

So with the McSame/Palin warped logic that means McCain is associated with terrorists too.
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radfringe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 08:25 AM
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6. my thoughts
start off with:

A man once said he would just have to rely on the good judgment of the voters not to buy into these negative attack ads. Sooner or later, people are going to figure out if all you run is negative attack ads you don't have much of a vision for the future or you're not ready to articulate it.

do you know who that man was? It was John McCain. Not only are negative attacks indicative of a campaign that has nothing to offer, but it's also an insult to the American people. It distracts from the issues that should be talked about such as Jobs, the economy, energy, foreign policy and domestic policy.

That being said, I've denounced Ayers' despical acts. I was 8 years old when Ayers was with the weathermen, and ____miles away - do you want me apologize for not being able to ride my big wheel all that way to stop him?
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Flarney Donating Member (512 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 08:38 AM
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8. Any candidate who could work a "ride my big wheel" reference into a political debate...
...would cement my undying loyalty. :rofl:

Seriously, that would be a brilliant way to illustrate the ridiculousness of the insinuations.
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 08:41 AM
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9. Oooh! That's Good
Nice find, radfringe.
The Professor
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