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ccharles000 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 03:41 PM
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Boy accused of killing gay teen fires lawyer
http://www.365gay.com/news/boy-accused-of-killing-gay-teen-fires-lawyer/

(Oxnard, California) The 14-year old boy accused of killing openly gay teen Larry King has fired his attorneys from the county Public Defender’s Office. Brandon McInerney now will be represented by a group of high profile lawyers from Los Angeles.

Ventura County Superior Court Judge Kevin McGee approved the change following a closed door meeting between the Public Defender’s Office and United Defense Group of Studio City, along with North Hollywood lawyer Robyn Bramson.

McGee said that he had determined McInerney understood the implications of the charges against him and had not been coerced into making the legal change.

United Defense Group has not said if it is taking the case pro-bono or who will pay for the expert witnesses it is expected to call during the trial.

McInerney is charged with murder as a hate crime and will be tried in adult court. If convicted, he could be sentenced to 51 years to life.

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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 03:44 PM
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1. does anyone else think
the murderer and victim may have had sex? that was my initial thought about why it happened.
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nomorenomore08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 03:54 PM
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4. Naw, that's way too tabloid/bad-movie-ish to be really believable.
Besides, not to accuse you of any nefarious intent, but jumping to that conclusion does seem to have kind of a homophobic overtone, of the "deranged homosexual lover" variety. And even if they did have a sexual relationship, that doesn't mean the murder was any of the victim's fault. The kid who pulled the trigger is one fucked-up little bastard regardless.
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:06 PM
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6. no nefarious intent
but teen sex does happen, quite frankly i find the "white supremacist" angle much more tabloid and unbelievable. maybe i should read up on the case more.
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YOY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 03:55 PM
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5. No.
I've seen kids being homophobic growing up in the midwest and this time they hit a really instable one.
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ReadTomPaine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 03:45 PM
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2. "United Defense Group has not said if it is taking the case pro-bono ..."
or who will pay for the expert witnesses..."

Sound like some conservative hate-loving freak or similar organization with deep pockets has stepped in to save one of their own.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 03:48 PM
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3. Christ! Look at the fucking group's website
Edited on Wed Oct-15-08 03:49 PM by Cerridwen
Fuck, fuck, fuck those fucking bastards!

Defending Yourself from Charges of Molestation

United Defense Group specializes in sex crimes and has generated some its most impressive results in child molestation cases. If you or someone you know is facing potential molestation charges, it is critical that you obtain experienced legal counsel as early as possible. There are generally no acceptable plea bargains in child molestation cases, so these charges must be fought as aggressively as possible.


They specialize?!

edit - adding info
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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:07 PM
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7. yeah i looked at that too
strange that he would go from public defender to these guys, i'll be interested in where the money is coming from. i suspect fundies.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:37 PM
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13. Either that or the group is looking for a high-profile case.
This might qualify.

Cheap advertising - relatively speaking.

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Howardx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 05:05 PM
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14. i did a little more reading about the case
it sure doesnt sound like the kids parents can afford these lawyers.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 05:13 PM
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15. Yeah - curiouser and curiouser.
Time and the media will tell.

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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:10 PM
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8. Oh yeah, god forbid someone actually try to defend themselves
Ever hear of "innocent until proven guilty?"

:eyes:

dg
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:19 PM
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9. Get over yourself, mkay?
People who specialize in defending "alleged" scum make my gorge rise. I typed it.

Ever hear of "buying 'justice'"?

:puke:



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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:22 PM
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10. Like Keanu Reeve's character in "Devil's Advocate"?
Remember the beginning of the movie, where he's representing a scum child molester, and notices him pleasuring himself while the victim is on the witness stand?

I know everyone has a right to a lawyer, but still...I don't know if I could do that.
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:36 PM
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11. Yup. Like that.
Back when I was younger and even more an idealist than I am now, that was why I decided not to go into the legal field. I couldn't see myself doing something like that. The whole legal versus justice thing bothers the crap out of me.

Oh well, such is life, huh?

What a wonderful world we've made. *sigh*

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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 05:56 PM
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17. Well, YOU get over yourself!
Ever hear of "innocent persons being incarcerated/executed?" Sounds like you need to take American History again & see why we have the rights we do. :eyes:

dg
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 06:03 PM
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19. First - I didn't say thing one about someone not being defended.
Second - I am/was pissed at a group of vultures that profits off the misfortunes of others; especially when those others can't afford this kind of "defense" and are already traumatized beyond belief.

Third - Sometimes, I post when I'm pissed; unlike so many other DU posters who write such thoughtful and profound posts and never post pissed.

Fourth - I get pissed and I post.

Fifth - Get over it and don't read my pissed off posts!

K?

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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 05:21 PM
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16. Err, there's really no question of guilt.
The argument being circulated is that Larry King deserved to die for flirting with the gunman.
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 06:01 PM
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18. So he doesn't deserve to hire the best attorneys he can find?
Or does he only get to hire those we approve of? :shrug:

The State still has to prove their case for execution, regardless of whether his guilt is in question or not. And he is entitled to hire whomever he damn pleases, whether we like it or not.

dg
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 07:03 PM
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21. Yes.
He certainly has the right to hire whatever scumbag lawyer he wants.

And you have the right to create whatever strawman argument you want.

:shrug:
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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 07:24 PM
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22. My argument is with those who think he shouldn't have this right
& that attorneys shouldn't specialize in this type of defense work. They might as well vote GOP if that's their attitude.

dg
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HiFructosePronSyrup Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 11:22 AM
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27. Yes, I know that's you're argument.
But since nobody argued he doesn't have a right to an attorney, you're just setting up a strawman.
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slackmaster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 04:37 PM
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12. If the kid getting a vigorous defense lessens the probability of a mistrial, I'm all for it
He certainly deserves an effective advocacy.
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 06:39 PM
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20. Good example of why we need to get rid of the profit motive in our justice system.
While innocent until proven guilty is the best premise for a justice system, only receiving the justice you can afford makes the whole thing a travesty.



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WolverineDG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 07:25 PM
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23. Only if the State has the same $ limits set on it nt
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Greyhound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 08:09 PM
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25. In a socialized justice system money is irrelevant.
Everybody involved makes what they make, period. Tests, witnesses, paperwork costs are all set within the system, so nobody stands to profit.

If the prosecution or defense makes a claim based on some expert witness for example, that introduces that element into the trial and the other side has the same opportunity to counter with their own.

The downside is, of course, that the only people that could bring it about are the people that profit from the current system. It's like asking sitting politicians to repair the election system, there is no incentive.


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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 07:47 PM
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24. I hope the victim's family (or prosecution) can get a high-profile lawyer too. n/t
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randome Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-15-08 08:49 PM
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26. yeah,i read about that..
It was really sad.You never realize how much violence there is in schools until someone dies.:hide: :yoiks:
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