They really **are** fanning the flames of hatred. That is not intended to be one bit hyperbolic.

Obama is going to win the election. McCain will go back to the Senate. Palin will go back to Alaska.

But the hate speech will not go anywhere. This is a flood that these people have unleashed. There are, quite literally, a million people (at least) in this country who buy into all this and more. And there are, without a doubt, dangerous - truly dangerous - people among them. My concern is with them. With the most dangerous among America's Dangerous Million.

This isn't funny.

This can not be cloaked in the innocence of "campaign rhetoric".

This is incitement.

For some, that is the purpose. To incite. For others, it is entertainment. A franchise built on hate mongering for self-enrichment. To pay for fat cigars, Viagara, and sexual tourism. For yet others, it is about gaining some measure of political power. For others still, it is about foisting religious views on those who choose to resist them. But really, the purpose and individual fomenter's level of awareness doesn't matter.

It is simply incitement to hate ....... and to some form of action. Otherwise, why hate? The fomenters wish something to happen. They have agendas.

We have had twenty years of hate radio. We, **as a people** are inured to the hate. It has become **normal**. Every wackadoodle rumor gets projected out as reality among the Dangerous Million. And that hatred is focused on the leaders of the left.

Many of us lived through a time when similar hatred was aimed at the left. It started with the Red Scare and Joe McCarthy. It reached its terrible zenith in a hotel kitchen in Los Angeles, with Number 3. And it was, by a frightening number, cheered as "deserved". Those were VERY frightening times.

It is alive and well today. The same condemnation by innuendo. The same level of frightening political rhetoric. Inciteful political rhetoric.

Today we have an added dimension. The economic situation in the country is about to get bad on a widespread basis. That alone will stress out the one wackadoodle who can change the course of history. Add the hatred already fomented and we are, indeed, in dangerous straits.

And we have, as our candidate and quite likely as our new American President, a man who is the face, the embodiment, of the new America.

He *is* historic.

And that frightens me.

This **has** to stop. But as I say that, I cannot imagine how to stop it. An end to anger on the left will not result in an end to anger on the right. It won't. In more than forty years it has not. In eighty years it has not. In 300 years ..... it .... has .... not.

would be no one to tell them to stop the bigotry. They would feel justified and stronger like * did after he was appointed. How scary and ugly they would become! McCain is responsible for this mess.

can for Obama to have to clean up...

- remember, Republicans always leave it for the Democrats to clean up after 'em. We've been here before...just this pile is perhaps the biggest yet.

It is easy enough to start this shit up, it is really hard to shut it down.

John McCain has run a disgraceful campaign that has not only put his ambition ahead of country, it has put the social fabric that holds our republic together at risk.

I'll say it: do they really want to take us into a second civil war?

I believe they do.

They can't afford to lose.

Anyone with half a brain, anyway.

people who like cats are fairly liberal, lol). And if one slipped through and wound up working here, well......I can fire for any reason or no reason at all.

RWer (hard to imagine), as an employer it's my perogative to "un-hire" anyone I wish. I run a VERY VERY small business, and CA is a right to work state. If an employee doesn't "work out" for whatever reason, or if I decide I don't need them after all, I can let them go.

News to me...

hire who I want by whatever criteria I choose, and fire who I want by whatever criteria I choose. I am the boss. As long as I am not discriminating against someone in a protected class, it's up to me.

Republicans have been hiring and firing based on politics for decades, I suspect. Two can play at that game.

I know a repub that kept his company small so he could hire and fire at his disgression. Unfortunately, his best employees were always left leaning! :)

number of people have the right to "hire and fire at will" whether the state is considered a "right to work" or not. I think that's true in every
state with variations on the number of employees...the usual number is, I -believe- 10.

RTW has to do with unions.

a persons religion faith creed national origin sexual preference or political affiliation.

You are not being fair to a persons ability to do the job.

at my place to my satisfaction. It requires getting along with and treating respectfully a wide variety of clients, including married gays, disabled folks, and people of every imaginable color, creed, and religion.

certainly should fire them.This is a case of conflicts that would most probably interfere with the performance of their job.

The powers that be want you to be just this partisan but it serves neither you nor your employee, only the powers that be. If you choose this route, you are really no better than the foaming at the mouth freepers we rag on all the time.

I have no problem whatsoever with firing conservatives at each and every chance I get, and I've had quite a number of direct reports in my time to exercise that power. As I've said before - let them be the “Pioneers” of "Unemployment Window A". That's one less donation to the GOP to worry about, and one more conservative who gets to learn first-hand about the economy, humility and being one of the poor and disadvantaged.

But note #1 on the list and the date of my thread below.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x503597

wrong unless the policies are so extreme that they break a code of ethics for the job or the political view interferes with the job performance.

...so they start to behave themselves and as the saying goes, all politics starts locally. No one is going to step up and teach them this lesson but you and me. As I've mentioned elsewhere, if this type of Democrat bothers you, blame the right. This atmosphere wasn't created by us and this culture war wasn't started by us. But it will be finished by us.

When it comes to conservatives, you fight to win or you lose. How many more decades is it going to take before you understand this? How many more Katrinas, how many more Enrons, how many more Iraq wars will it take before the gloves come off and you start to fight back in way that actually effects them? If you aren't getting under their skin, then you aren't doing enough. No conservatives should be allowed the luxury of becoming comfortable with their beliefs. No liberal should be out of work when a conservative can be turned out into the street for them. Hardship is good for conservatives. It tends to turn them into liberals. They can come back then and reapply.

The crazy uncles of American politics slipped the leash and escaped the basement precisely because people give them the benefit of the doubt time after time. I have news for you. The modern paradigm of GOP thought is already extreme enough for retaliation of this nature. Its been that way since Ronald Reagan. Your compassion is weakness to them, something they exploit with glee. They eat it up, it tastes like chicken. Save your compassion for people who deserve it. This is neither the time nor place to start acting squeamish. This political movement must have its back broken or it will, as it has done before, rise yet again. I'm willing to do that job. Are you?

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I don't think the way to fight unethical and evil behavior is with more of the same. You don't want to become the thing you despise.

There are plenty of hardcore, balls-to-the-wall ways to go after these dickheads WITHOUT having to be liars and abusers ourselves.

being "dirty" about it. If we do the same thing, we're no better than the people we complain about.

BTW - our friends at Free Republic "awarded" me 'Most Annoying DU Poster of the Year' for 2004 for that particular piece. It's a badge I've worn with a smile and not a small amount of pride ever since. There is nothing like the anger and frustration of a foe to keep you warm at night.

I have no issue with conservatives on a person-to-person basis (they might be completely wrong about everything, but most are still decent people). I would certainly not fire people for their political beliefs, nor would I patronize a company or business that did.

Now, if they're being antagonistic or disruptive, that's one thing. But simply because they want to vote for the other guy? No. Sorry.

I had a dedicated and very sweet fundie employee for a while. Her family was friends with Michael Reagan. We just didn't talk politics much, because we kind of had each other figured out. And she was welcome to work here as long as she wanted, but she moved up north.

I am talking mostly hypothetically about if push comes to shove. I am not above fighting the economic battle with actions instead of just words, should the need arise.

But I did terminate my cleaning service recently because the woman who owns the company sent a very offensive, racist email about Democrats to her entire client list. I can't imagine any Republican or Democrat of my acquaintance thinking this email was in any way appropriate for a business owner to send out to her clients. Very unprofessional.

We figured from the get-go she was probably a Republican, but that didn't stop us from giving her our business. If I'd had a choice between an obviously liberal environmentally friendly cleaning service and this one, I would've gone with the greener service, of course, but that wasn't an option here. We were always happy with the service her technicians provided. But I'm not going to do business with someone who sends out racist emails.

Who knows, maybe someone has started an environmentally friendly cleaning service in this area since the last time I looked.

An employer can fire any employee, for any reason, except those reasons protected by Federal law. An employer can't fire someone because of their race, color, religion, national origin, or age. But an employer can fire an employee for any other reason, and that employee has no recourse, except that he or she might be entitled to unemployment benefits if he or she were terminated for no fault of their own.

The poster is probably right about California law. I can assure you, in Georgia, Republicans fire Democrats at will (and vice-versa, occasionally) for no good reason and without suffering any legal penalty.

And I should mention, sexual orientation is explicitly not protected according to the SCOTUS.

Nice, huh? :sarcasm:

-Laelth

their political beliefs? What the fuck is the difference between that and freepers/pubs doing the same thing? Employees should be judged by work, period. WORK. Not politics. It doesn't make any difference which politics it is.

Your intolerance isn't something I'd brag about if I felt the same way as you do.

I bet that if you hired someone who steadfastly refused to take part in ANY political discussion at your place of business, you'd start a whispering campaign against that person.

Politics has NO BUSINESS in a place of employment and having a BOSS who is intolerant of any view that is not his/her personally held view is part of what's wrong with this country.

US VS THEM sucks.

"I can fire for any reason or no reason at all." That's what der chimperor said when he fired US Attorneys. Not something I'd want to emulate in my own life.

After all, Bush was doing the same thing you're advocating on this thread. It was within his right to fire the US Attorneys at any time, for any reason.

President Obama will be a convenient foil for the demagogues.

This has always been so and it will always be so.

All we can do is make our best effort to leave this world a better place than we found it - to heal what hurts we can, to see that children grow up not learning to blindly hate, to protect the victims of hate.

Yes, they will fight us every inch of the way. They will attack us, burn our homes and businesses, kill the best and brightest of us. And we will NEVER stop fighting the good fight. We will never give up and never give in.

Those who died trying knew this truth, and it never stopped them from their work: Abraham Lincoln, JFK, MLK, RFK, the civil rights workers of the 60s, the Unitarian church victims of this year.

NGU.

because there are violent nuts on the fringes of all political persuasions. It's not smart stiring up such hate, you never know what you might unleash. :-(

.... the modern Republicans have.

The left was at its worst (and its best, coincidentally) in the late 60s and early 70s. But all the destruction wrought by the lefty activists, it was never fomented by our real leadership.

The fundamental difference is that, today, the incitement is mainstream. Accepted. The fodder of mindless teevee 'debates'.

For a while it even advertised itself as "the White Man's Party." Democratic party members would pass out pamphlets containing some very vile racist songs, which audiences would sing as part of a rally. Wilson even had the Grand Wizard of the Klan at his inauguration and considered "Birth of a Nation" to be the truest, finest movie made to that date.

We traded places with the Republicans after the Goldwater - '68 convention period. Now they're singing the songs and throwing out black journalists, and we're leading the way with politicians and candidates that every american regardless of ethnic or economic background can look up to.

We are a multi-racial family living in a very red neck community, so I have been very aware of them for a long time. I've taught my children to never give them eye contact and to turn their backs when they feel disrespected. They are all teenagers now and thriving, my son, a wrestler, placed in state last year, and has been offered a scholarship at Brown University. He was elected team captain this year by his team mates, much to the disappointment of his coach, who at reward ceremony stated that Joey was "growing on him" and "he was trying real hard to like him". Only one other parent in the audience expressed her shock at his statement, the rest of them applauded. What I am seeing and understanding is that we ARE in a new era. It's the old die hards that refuse to move on, some of their children carry the hatred (mostly based on fear) but I believe the majority no longer see skin color as relevant.

I may be too optomistic, but we are now forced by Obama's run to actually see the bigotry remaining today. The evil once exposed is devoured by the light that shines upon it. These people look ridiculous, their rants are insane and pathetic. It's been slow, this march, but today where ever you look, we have become integrated. Those who chose to remain segregated are in the MINORITY.


It's taken a few years, but today I actually feel sorry for the haters. Some times I even tell them I forgive them, because the heaviness of their hatred has broken their spirits.

.... but still I fear ...... it only takes one.

I'm not liking the resurgence in the acceptance of bigotry by the right wing.

My ancestors... White Cloud of the Ioway Tribe.

I like to think though, that this bigotry rearing its ugly head, allows light to shine upon it, showing how ludicrous it is.

Eventually. I just hope no one is hurt before the realization hits.

Light is the best disinfectant, literally and figuratively.

I know White Cloud was forced to don the white man's suit in this picture, but I love how he wore a feather too. He was quite handsome. I have a few cousins that look a lot like him. I wear eagle feather earrings (made by a Paiute artist friend) to work, very corporate environment. I like to think of it as a tribute to White Cloud:)

gives me a smile.

They are a strong force for positive change and green thinking is part of their cultural heritage they are sharing with the rest of Minnesota. They are out on the forefront of energy change and environmental action. It is really exciting.

I have always thought that was the biggest thing white Americans lost when Indians were put aside and worse. We could have learned so much and never gotten to this awful place of killing Mother Nature or Grandmother Earth.

But the tribes of the Dakotas are walking the walk and putting their money into future sustainability practises.

Wish I were Indian some days. When my mom was a kid in Taos NM she had an abusive dad and grandma. She would run off to one of the Indian reservations and they would take her in and keep her safe. So I wouldn't be here if they hadn't helped her.



http://www.ccsmdc.org/index.html

<snip>
Stewards of the Earth

The Dakota way is to plan for the Seventh Generation, to make sure that resources will be available in the future to sustain life for seven generations to come. Conserving and protecting the earth today ensures that there will be food, trees, natural areas, traditional wild foods and medicines, cultural resources, and open spaces in the environment for coming generations to not only survive but also to thrive. It is important to the Dakota to be a good neighbor not only to nearby communities and governments but to the earth itself which sustains life. Unci Maka, the Dakota expression for earth, translates as "Grandmother Earth." This indicates a kinship relationship between the Dakota and the earth; so as a relative, the Dakota people are morally obligated to take care of the earth, just as they would an elder.

I can not think of any nicer way to put it.

There is no way that you can have Limbaugh and Hannity and others relentlessly pounding on people with their hate speech, all over the air waves 24 hours a day for decades without there being consequences.

Along with his hench hag. They are condoning the hateful speech of their supporters. They are setting civil rights back decades in the process.

Sickening.

how comforting. god bless the 2A :eyes:

...put Operation Incite Hatred into full motion.

I get it.

call it scorched earth, setting fire to the oil wells on your way out, poisoning the watering holes so no other man or beast can quench their thirst or a radical, fringe, terroristic Republican Party inciting enough violence that only military action or Civil War II can solve.

Every one of them belongs in Gitmo, every single one of them.

He was discussing racism....he showed the front yard of a house in Ohio with a tree. Hanging from the tree was a noose. Attached to the noose was a white sheet made into an effigy of Obama. "Obama" was written on the front of the sheet in black, the eyes on the head were "x-ed" out.

I looked at cnn.com and searched for the story, but I can't find anything yet.

This has got to stop. Now.

The endless, unchecked bloviation on the far right is a big part of the problem. I'm not saying take them off the air -- except in truly extreme cases -- but open them up to ruthless, honest mockery and debunking.

I was in a cult once upon a time, and there's no cure like truth and sunshine.

Mockery doesn't hurt, either. :-P

The fairness doctrine is inherently flawed (Is it still "fair" if a spineless yes-boy like alan Colmes is the one making up "our" half of the talk?), and in these days, it would only really apply to public radio - Sattelite radio, cable and sattelite television, are all privately owned and would not be subject.

Removing Ann Coulter's ability to claim her latest diatribe on mass murder of Americans was "just a joke" would be far more suitable. Let them rant and rave. Then they can experience that "personal responsibility" they keep going on about.

Bush regime for terrorism, it makes you wonder that so much of this is apparently not a problem.

I agree with you - this is the hate that those on hate radio have been carefully nurturing and stoking all these years. Now they've found their focal point, and it may very well get very ugly in the next 8 years.

And, yes, unfortunately your last paragraph is too, too true. I don't know, either. Peel off the sane few from the hate? Offer alternatives to the few who can still be reached and divide and conquer?

these are the same nuts that still think w is doing a good job. it's not just black folks working for obama. there are whites, hispanics, asians, native americans and everyone in between. we are coming together as country behind a strong leader and i am so proud. people on other continents can see and stand in solidarity with us-they can't even vote. we have grown so much. i was born in 64-we came together then but i was too young to understand. now i can and i know how it feels, it is awesome. i am not gonna let the terrible 20% ruin this time for me. i stand in solidarity with you all. we are the base that is gonna push obama up to victory.

Thanks for the awesome post man :)

those scumbags like Coulter and Limbaugh, etc. would have no traction if they did not have the blessing of the leadership of the republican party. it's that simple.

the republican party is responsible for the deterioration of the national debate. the people who were protesting, etc. in the 1960s were protesting against BOTH parties - LBJ certainly didn't encourage the massive protests against his decisions.

With the passage of time and the revelation of more and more questionable actions by earlier JCS/NSA, rogue CIA (along with their Nazi Gehlen org buddies), Bay of Piggers and the oil thugs, it appears to me that the entire history of the 1960s had everything to do with the hate spewing from the right ever since JFK was elected and then assassinated.

As more and more of this history is disseminated via organizations like the National Security Archives, the truth and reconciliation work in Chile and South Africa - it is obvious who, within the U.S., has posed the biggest threat to democracy, and it's not those who expect this nation to act like it believes the civil and human rights rhetoric it spouts.

So, esp. after these last eight years of non-stop lawlessness and thuggishness, if these people want to start something, they'll find plenty of average everyday Americans who have HAD IT and will fight back. I didn't start this fight, but I'd be happy to finish it. When I lived in Miami and was mugged, I learned an interesting thing about myself: put me in an untenable situation and I will fight back. Even when it's two on one - me against two males, in that case.

Maybe when these thugs get their teeth kicked out by some middle-class mom like me, they'll shut the fuck up.

It was only a matter of time before the same rhetoric spilled over into mainstream Republican discourse and started coming out of the mouths of Republican elected officials.

Hope it burns the whole party to the ground. It's vile.

-Laelth

Limbaugh's crap. People that I thought were reasonable would defend his racist stuff and say that it was based on truth. But you know what, now that I think of it, those people were the ones that got ahead while I was crucified because I did the right thing. :shrug:

things that ended in a religious/race war. Four years ago I finally ended it, and redid the president to suit bush. Everything I suggest would be done, has been done. It is scary because the story gets a lot worse before it gets better. This is one time that I hope I am wrong about is to come.

The one funny thing is that there was a woman in the story that I could not figure out who she was suppose to be so I forced myself to take her out. Now I realize it could have been palin and that scares me. It was okay when I thought it was bush because his time is hopefully almost done. God, Obama has got to win. Then I will face whatever. :cry:

That is a start. And hopefully get some media reform about intentional slander on a mass scale, and incitement to violence. You're right, this RW Atwateristic self-serving hate-mongering was allowed to go on for too long - just like deregulation in banking and other areas. I see the similarities to the past, as John Lewis said too.

We got work to do and when people of all colors simply bend together to get the job done, then less and less of this talk of color becomes an issue.

Selma showed us that linking arms and marching to the insistent drum of the truth is a shout out across history.

The numbers showing up for Obama is a shout out across history too. Racism is done. It just doesn't know it yet. Like a crazy muskie still flopping in the boat, racism is gasping its last breath, waging its last fight.

100,000,000 racist who will not be governed by the rule of law under Obama.

I don't see it as an election anymore. Anger on both sides is in the red and I really don't think it can attain anymore. And to me, it's more from the public than the candidates, despite the Palin influance. What is an annual, important event will 80% more likely to be one of the scariest dates in history if anger on both sides doesn't subside.

(or at least fanned the flames most vigorously) will walk away scot-free . . .

somewhere in the scenario where we recover from this nightmare there has to be a way of holding Bush and his cronies accountable for the damage they've done to this nation . . . and, for that matter, to the planet . . .

he can NOT just walk away clean . . . 'cause he's about as dirty as they come . . .

Of course, I could mention that when the male media was uniformly viciously attacking Hillary Clinton as a "shrill," "arrogant," "ball-busting" "bitch," I don't recall a wave of male condemnation of it as hate-speech; so of course, after it worked, it continues.

Rachael Maddow on MSNBC just had an extremely interesting report on this situation, with a lot of clips, putting it together as a deliberate Republican-orchestrated strategy to reduce voter turnout by making the campaign so ugly (and revolting people), and by challenging one State after another on phony "vote-fraud" charges, to suppress the vote where possible, because where voter turnout is high, Democrats win; where it is low, Republicans can steal it with manipulations, and people can no longer tell what the vote might have been. People are turned off by negative campaigning, do not vote, and so McCain is piling it on now. There have been a whole series of "similar" quotes from Republican operatives and the PrickCain campaign, that "the American people" are "suspicious" at the true vote count, or "fed up" with "voter fraud" by "liberal" groups--a whole organized campaign of its own, to muddy the waters and repulse people--so completely--that they will not even participate, they hope. Anyone who thought PrickCain was "basically okay," can now wake up; you really do learn about people when they are going to lose, they know they are going to lose--do they bow out gracefully, no matter how painful (as did the great Hubert Humphrey, for one example), or do things start getting really ugly, abusive, criminal, as here?

Like the recent comment by Representative John Lewis of Georgia--deliberately fucked all around by PrickCain--that the name-calling, and incitement to bitterness and resentment of the (now-dwindling) crowds, reminded Lewis of George Wallace's 1968 divisive campaign--which I agreed with--the PrickCain campaign now becomes more and more ugly, vile, accusatory, mean, criminal (colluding with Bush Admin. to suppress voters), and only getting worse, even hysterically so. The difference this year, is that things are so bad in the country and the world, that people do not want to hear it, and are not responding. People are desperate, as if it were 1932, for somebody to solve our problems!

this ayres and wright situation started during the primaries. hill was giving as good as she was getting. here's a woman that didn't cry foul either. i do appreciate hill again because of the hard work she has put in for the nominee. she has chosen to put her party before her personal feelings and that means something to me.

It's got to be in the top 10 anyway. I hope we will find a way to stop the hate, because it will destroy the human race and take a big chunk of the current species into extinction along with us, if we can't. This is a global, not just a local or national problem.

I just returned from my local flea market where I spent a few hours this morning, sitting in the food court and drinking coffee while talking to McPalin voters. I was curious as to what the mood was, sort of a 'man-on-the-street poll'. It is ironic, the message I received was the same as the poster's.

The disconnect between George Bush and the last 8 years is nothing short of astonishing! I heard things like, "You can't blame Bush for the economy", and "You can't blame Bush for the war." It's as if George Bush never existed? I'm not even sure Republicans know that Bush was in charge for the last 8 years? These statements of denial were then followed up by expressions of hatred and the fact that we are going to have a civil war if Obama is elected. (and these people were serious.. you could feel the hatred oozing from their nostrils). Some even threatened to shoot Obama.

Through it all, I kept hearing Rush Limbaugh's voice in the background. Our media has done a superb job of dumbing down the voters, while the Lee Attwater's and Karl Rove's have been meticulous in their memeering or "thought infection" of the public. Reagan's deregulation of the media back in the 80's, culminating with removal of the Fairness Doctrine and the scrapping of Radio and TV ownership laws, has been nothing short of disastrous to this country.

I heard a lot of garden variety racism. No problem there. I understand how discrimination, fear and religious intolerance work together to create racism. (I grew up in the 60's and I remember the lunch counters in Selma, Alabama.) But what I don't understand, is how the Republicans have managed to build this seething hatred and aim it at the Dems, while deflecting it away from Bush and the very people who caused the problems in the first place?

You are correct Hubs2.. the flames of hatred are burning brightly out there in whacko right-wing- world.. and these people are dangerous.

... after Clinton was elected.

They are a dangerous bunch of loonies. There is no doubt of that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing

Don

I can't even think it.

but I believe Obama will turn all this around. Once they have jobs and health care and can see progress in their lives they will turn around. I am not worried about the hate because the G8 isn't over here in Bush's a** for nothing. We have allies we have to answer to and they are not having it. They want Obama in office too.

Every bit of progress for the rights of all has come up against the privileged feeling put upon.

They WILL get over it eventually.

People in great numbers used to wonder if "blacks really were biologically different" and were afraid of that difference enough that they worried about blood transfusions or drinking from the same water fountain.

You can't cure stupid but simple ignorance has an easy cure - exposure to the truth.

When Obama gets in and we all get behind him and work to turn this country back to its REAL DEMocratic ROOTS, things will get better for everybody and even those who fought bitterly for McCain will realize Obama isn't a terrorist or on their side and he's simply here to do the best he can to get the country back on its feet.

In 8 years, and you know he will get a 2nd term, when they look back and ask the question, "Are you better off than you were 8 years ago?" We all know what the answer will be. Then maybe we can get Hillary to step back up if she still wants to.

OUR task is to make sure that once Barack is elected, we CONTINUE to work with him and keep working in our neighborhoods to make sure this kind of crap is no longer tolerated.

We can NOT beat it out of people, but we can with perseverance melt the walls that divide by simply doing the work that needs to be done and giving credit where it is due, no matter what color of skin the "doer" is in.