DUers who will NOT vote for Obama because of Powell's endorsement: CHECK IN HERE.

May this post sink like a stone.

:eyes:

It's not a difficult thread concept

be voting for Paris Hilton?O8)

:woohoo:

:woohoo:

BFF tomorrow.............O8)

without ONE GOOD DIVISIVE POST.

Thanks for proving me wrong.

Obviously the intention was to have nobody check in, but some people are apparently in-fucking-capable of reading beyond the first sentence.

So I recommended it, hoping to see how many more will fuck up the goal of this thread by completely misunderstanding it. :P

Well, since the OP's intent was to have this thread drop and since I have a talent for killing threads, I'll see your recommend and raise you a thread killer post from moi. :P

:hi:

:eyes:

what was the question again?

My wife is from S. Indiana, I'm from the Yankee part and she's always saying wierd shit like that.

Then why start a thread?

on the GP. :wow: You're right. And you rec'd it. :spank:

That some see people simplistically as all-good or all-bad, that can't separate these actions. May this post sink like a stone indeed.

because I already voted for Barrack Obama....by mail!

That ballot is filled out envelope signed, and stamped, and sent to the county clerk. Done!

:evilgrin:

because I voted for him two days ago at our county court house. It feels like a weight has been lifted off of me to know that my vote has been cast and counted (scanned) already. A big sigh of relief.

Unfortunately???? :shrug:

you had me

I agree with Skinner and many others that Powell sought to atone for his past lapses of judgment. they were grievous lapses of judgment and hurt many, but if one lived in the dark house, Teddy Roosevelt says, it matters far more that one leaves that dark house.

“...a devil masters each of us it is not having been in the Dark House, but having left it that counts.”

--Theodore Roosevelt

Politically, Powell is a high-profile, much-respected military figure and his endorsement is potent currency in the political marketplace.

He did right this morning in his choice for our country's future.

They will love you over there.

:grr:

:P

I've found that there is a certain percentage here that doesn't get sarcasm and satire.

And I'm not altogether sure it's unintentional.

:scared:

It is not that clear that is is a spoof. That is not a function of any impairment on the part of the posters on the thread.

I am pretty good at using and detecting sarcasm. But it sometimes is very difficult to tell here if people are serious or not.

"Check in here if you're NOT voting for Obama because of Powell's endorsement"

followed by:

"May this thread sink like a rock"....


It's rather obvious that he HOPES NO ONE CHECKS IN... threads sink like rocks in this fast paced forum when no one responds to them and keeps them kicked up. Look a few pages back through this forum and see how many threads you find with 100's of views, but no comments...

:hi:

Peace,

Ghost

(... and yes, I realized the irony of *me* responding and kicking it back up but hey, the horse left the barn a long time ago, i'm just using the already opened door)

:rofl:

We may as well put our feet up, grab a cup of coffee and talk now, Ghost.

The OP could be taken two different ways.

see?

So I am dense.

seem to have the wits to find the voting booth, but I doubt they'll post here.

Are there any such people?

Why cannot people criticize Powell?

Is anyone saying they will switch how they are going to vote because of Powell's endorsement?

:shrug:

No need to insult me.

the endorsement is positive news, powell remains a criminal.

let's win the farkin' election.

bigger. fish. to. fry.

What does criticism of Powell have to do with winning the election?

so an explanation of how they're connected is incumbent upon you.

all said is that criticism of powell at this juncture rings hollow and is difficult for me to understand how it can be spun as a negative for our team, i.e., Obama/Biden.

You said we need to focus on winning the election rather than criticizing Powell. I said I do not see the connection.

How is criticism of Powell being "spun as a negative for our team." I don't see any connection there, either. Obama didn't endorse Powell. If that were the case, then what you are saying could make sense, since it would be Obama, possibly, who would be the one criticized. But Powell endorsed Obama, and it is Powell who is being criticized, not Obama, not "our team," and not the value of the endorsement necessarily.

If Limbaugh endorsed Obama, would we then be required to refrain from criticism of Limbaugh lest we be accused of spinning negatively for our team?

I don't see how endorsing Obama makes a person immune from criticism, nor why anyone doing the criticism would be accused, in essence, of disloyalty. That makes no sense to me.

You said we need to focus on winning the election rather than criticizing Powell.

please show me exactly where i said this

How is criticism of Powell being "spun as a negative for our team."

it's not. powell's endorsement is being spun as negative or unnecessary or not needed by the Obama camp. I even saw some duers suggest he should not accept the endorsement.

Obama didn't endorse Powell.

I don't know where you got this...

If Limbaugh endorsed Obama, would we then be required to refrain from criticism of Limbaugh lest we be accused of spinning negatively for our team?

false dichotomy

don't see how endorsing Obama makes a person immune from criticism, nor why anyone doing the criticism would be accused, in essence, of disloyalty. That makes no sense to me.

you are again putting words in my mouth and, by proxy, ideas in my head. please stop. i suggested neither of these only think that criticism of powel at this juncture is untimely. suggesting somehow that his endorsement of obama is not an a huge event for Obama's campaign because of Powell's questionable credibility is counterproductive mostly because this endorsement brings with it the possibility of those dreaded, yet highly coveted, swing votes. does this really require such detailed exposition?

the endorsement is positive news, powell remains a criminal.

let's win the farkin' election.

bigger. fish. to. fry.

what i meant was focusing on the election is more important than criticizing powell for drinking his party's kool-aid.

notice two things: powell remains a criminal

and

bigger. fish. to. fry.

meaning, the endorsement is positive news as far as winning the election is concerned

The endorsement is a good thing.

The election is important.

Those can be true AND people can criticize Powell if they want.

Where is the problem?

i question how timely and productive it is and it seems to ring hollow in light of this important endorsement


on edit: so does the OP which is the whole point of this thread in the first place, which should have sunk like a stone. Sorry OP!

Thanks.

I missed the OP's intent, anyway, so we got off down the wrong path here.

...for the bush, inc war criminals.

after the election? sure.

Obviously some people around here will sell their souls to the devil to win this election.

Which makes me wonder what people around here would say if * & Cheney endorsed Obama.

Would they say that it's all good and they don't deserve to go to The Hague and be tried for war crimes?

The logic around here is insane today. :crazy:

it's worked great for the past eight years! wait, no it hasn't.

ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the evil nasty world of politics.

edited: not just MODERN politics. politics from its inception

you're not the only one who knows how politics works. i've been extremely flexible with the democrats since 1972. that has not worked out for me our america.

The ironic thing is that it is counterproductive. The idea that a free and open discussion somehow hurts "our team" is simply false. It is the suppression that does damage to the cause, not the dissenters.

No one is switching their vote based on this. No one is criticizing Obama. No one is hurting "our team" by criticizing Powell.

It's better to bitch about groupthink rather than read the fucking thread.

the endorsement may help obama's election chances but it is decidedly NOT positive news. there's a difference.

even if he's having an affair with Colin Powell. Mr. Secretary, to you.
;)

Excellent way to illustrate the point.

:)

I thought DU was full of intelligence? :wtf:

And what a stupid idea.
What has been irritating me are all the posts of admiration for Powell...yes, the endorsement is of tremendous political value and yes, I'm glad to have it. Powell would have deserved our respect and admiration if he had bailed out on them years ago.

If it isn't gone by Nov.3, well, I don't know what I'll do.

ballot in ink.

Most likely.

and voicing their indignation, and feel all satisfied about it, and walking away without ever comprehending the point

:rofl:

:rofl:

Or it could just be that the people who get it smile and click away...where as the ones who fly off the handle want to share a piece of their anger.

In any case....very telling indeed :D

...on principle. if new york is in play i will vote obama, but i will quite certainly be holding my nose as i do. obama's acceptance of the war criminal's endorsment in glowing terms, tells me that MY #1 issue, the prosecution of bush, inc,, is NOT going to happen, it tells me obama is not who he purports to be, and he most likely is not who you think he is, but don't realize yet. i am exceedingly pissed off at obama, but i'm not going to cut off my nose to spite my face.

:sarcasm:

because as it stands, without a sarcasm icon, it is a pro-vote-Obama post due to the sentence "May this post sink like a stone."

The very idea!

but it's not because of Powell. You see, I have a minor problem. I am not a US citizen. Yet.

If it all comes together I may well have a chance at voting for Obama in 2012.

Until then my wallet is open (I am a legal US resident)... and I'll do what I can whereever...

Mark.

I don't get it.

Instead, I am voting for Obama because (and only because...yep, I'm one voting not so much for Obama but against the neocons) he's not Republican. The good (or not) general's endorsement's got nothing to do wit it.

Though it really is funny -- in a kinda sad way -- to see the eminently predictable wild-eyed knee-jerk reactions to this whole thing.

Someone actually said that? :wow:

But I'm still a supporter.