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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:40 AM
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How come Obama wont' release his Certificate of Live Birth?
How can we tell if he was born alive if he won't release a certificate of live birth? If he won't release his Certificate of Live Birth, then how do we know that he's not some extraterrestrial creature bent on subduing mankind?

:sarcasm:

Really, the things that Reich-wingers will come up with! They seriously want to quibble over a Certificate of Live Birth? Is there really any doubt that he survived birth?
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:42 AM
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1. Well, there's doubt as to whether
McCain survived birth.
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Happyhippychick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:42 AM
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2. He has succeeded in hynotizing us into believing he is alive.
Don't you get it?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:08 AM
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22. ...
:spray: :evilgrin:
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1awake Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:42 AM
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3. They want to see what country he was born in
since anything other than here would remove him from the race. I'm sure you knew that though.
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Frank Cannon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:45 AM
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7. WTF? His mom was an American citizen.
Which makes him a natural-born American citizen even if he were born on a raft in the South Pacific.

This is what happens when they don't teach American Government in schools anymore.
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1awake Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:46 AM
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you can't run for president if your not born here.
thats the smear their trying to levy against him.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:58 AM
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17. If your parents are American citizens, it doesn't matter where you're born
Obama's mother was a US citizen, so it's a moot point. He could have been born on Mars, and it wouldn't matter.
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1awake Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:13 AM
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26. Its not as moot point.
that has never been addressed and is not spelled out. Look, I think its all BS, but thats their argument.


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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:21 AM
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31. Once again, if your parents are US citizens, you can be born anywhere
This is ONLY an issue because he's black and all the rethug "secret Muslim" emails. You know DAMNED WELL that if Biden, Clinton, or any of the other Democratic candidates had won the nomination, they wouldn't be demanding a certificate of live birth.
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1awake Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:25 AM
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35. once again, its never been addressed in this context.
Repeating doesn't make it anymore true. I do agree with you on the rest of your post though. I agree on those points 100%.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:28 AM
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37. Why does it matter?
His mother is a US CITIZEN. Isn't that enough?

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underseasurveyor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:19 AM
Response to Reply #37
63. It should be enough and enough said one would think
But unfortunately lack of critical thinking skills of those among the right wing.. well nuff said:-)

By their logic the children born of military families stationed overseas must be citizens of the country they were born in and therefore not US citizens. :eyes:
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:46 AM
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52. Yes. It has-- time and time again...
"never been addressed in this context."

Yes. It has-- time and time again; each time this little red-herring comes up, it is addressed. That you have either not heard it (or decided not to hear it) is no one's fault but yours...
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1awake Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:09 AM
Response to Reply #52
60. sure, guess that settles things. n/t
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fascisthunter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:32 AM
Response to Reply #60
66. McCain was born in Panama.... not a smart move by righties
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:46 AM
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71. Don't know whether it settles it or not
Don't know whether it settles it or not-- but it's a direct address to your concern.
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1awake Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:17 PM
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79. it does not.
The person with the most to worry about is McCain. Obama WAS born in the US, McCain wasn't. He was born in a US Territory yes. Apparently he wasn't born on a US base, which may or may nor matter it seems. Either way, having US parents is irrelevant when it comes to the presidency. Being a US citizen and being a natural born citizen are not the same thing.. constitutionally speaking.
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LanternWaste Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 02:41 PM
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89. which is it
"it does not.

First you say it settles it, then you say it doesn't. C'mon, pal-- which is it?

(Unless of course, your initial "that settles" was a bit of self-defined cleverness on your part-- in which case, forget it-- self-defined clever is good for cartoons, but it's a waste of my time)
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norepubsin08 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:03 AM
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47. No kidding
McCain was born in Panama and they're not making any issue out of that. I would think that would make him "less" of a native born citizen than Obama in their eyes...but oh no, racism obviously trumps all else.
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:10 AM
Response to Reply #26
48. Their. Uh huh.
At least you didn't spell it "they're."
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louis-t Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #26
62. Oooooh, it's 'under the radar'
It HAS been addressed. An actual photo of his birth certificate is available. No mystery, no un-answered questions. Only gullible crazy-people who will believe what Sarah Palin tells them cuz she's a god-fearin' chrysssssss-chen.
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:38 AM
Response to Reply #26
67. mccain was born in panama, wasn't he?
i don't know why we're even having this discussion, it's just silly
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Progressive_In_NC Donating Member (448 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:51 AM
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55. The argument is that she was only 18 when he was born and you had to be 19
at the time under naturalization law to proclaim your child a US citizen when the child was born abroad. This is a STREEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTCCCCCCCHHHHHHH on the grandest scale, to say the least.

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road2000 Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:20 PM
Response to Reply #55
81. OK, maybe I don't get it.
Hawaii was a state when Obama was born. So what's the problem?
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tammywammy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 05:56 PM
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97. Because they say that he's lying about being born in Hawaii
And that he was really born in Kenya. The smear sites use jpg images of other birth certificates to "prove" that the one that Obama's posted on his site is really a fake.

It's a complete twisting of the facts to fit their theory. The government of Hawaii has said that his birth certificate that was posted was a real one.
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road2000 Donating Member (995 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 06:33 PM
Response to Reply #97
98. Got it, thank you.
I'd heard the Kenya rumor, but had not yet read enough to connect the two. Duh!
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KurtNYC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:07 AM
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21. McCain wasn't born in the USA
Be sure to tell those people that John Sidney McCain the Third was born in Panama --

"No wonder McCain loves illegal immigrants. He IS one!" :sarcasm:
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1awake Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:11 AM
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24. technically, yes he was
he was born on a US base, which is US soil, which automatically makes him a US citizen.. unfortunately.
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:21 AM
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30. Actually, he wasn;t born on the base, but in the nearby town on Colon.
which is Panamanian territory.
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1awake Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:27 AM
Response to Reply #30
36. thanks for the info. n/t
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:40 AM
Response to Reply #30
68. yeah, colon is definitely not a base but a city in panama, a LARGE city in panama
the whole topic of attack is silly considering their candidate was not born in the usa
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beac Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:53 AM
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72. And McCain tried to claim at one point that he was born in the base hospital that wasn't built until
six years after he was born.

I wish someone on our side would push McCain's questionable birth out there just to shut up the focksticks about Obama's TOTALLY legitimate Hawaii one.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:21 AM
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50. A US base is not US soil like an embassy.... dumb ass
The land is leased.




Jeez where do we get these people?
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1awake Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:22 PM
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82. didn't say it was like an embassy.. dumbass
It is considered a US possession under Title 8 of the U.S. Code Section 1401. But the question for McCain is does that make him a Natural born citizen.. I don't think it does.
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:47 PM
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87.  "US base, which is US soil," your words not mine- they don't own the soil
US possessions are different than US bases.

US possessions only include:

American Samoa, Guam, Marshall Islands, Federated States of Micronesia,
Northern Marianas, Palau, Puerto Rico, U.S. Virgin Islands

US military bases lease the land "soil" it is not a possession.
Possession connotes ownership.

I objected to the word "US possession" which is highly inaccurate.


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1awake Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 01:02 PM
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88. I enjoy debating constitutional questions,
but I must stop here. I am getting on shaky ground at this point and I know it. I would argue more on the area of "possession" as well as natural-born verses US citizen, but somebody just broke in my car and stole my laptop... maybe its karma from pushing the argument. :(
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:02 PM
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90. Huh?
"The person with the most to worry about is McCain. Obama WAS born in the US, McCain wasn't. He was born in a US Territory yes. Apparently he wasn't born on a US base, which may or may nor matter it seems."

"he was born on a US base, which is US soil, which automatically makes him a US citizen.. unfortunately."
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:12 AM
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25. But McCain was born in PANAMA
stupid is as stupid does
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:24 AM
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34. Here is McCain's REAL Birth Certificate
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Sebastian Doyle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 05:24 PM
Response to Reply #34
96. Actually, it's NOT!
You'll notice in the lower right hand corner that this document is dated 1980. Specifically March 26 (if I'm translating correctly. I don't speak Spanish)

So if an official state document from Hawaii is not "proof" of Obama's birth, then this isn't "proof" of McCain's either.

Not that I doubt either document, but just sayin'.
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 07:31 PM
Response to Reply #96
99. You know, I wondered - the "ver." at the upper left says "1979"
But the paper is damaged there so I wasn't sure.
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:22 AM
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32. I hear McCain was born in Panama.....
what's that make him?
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trotsky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:41 PM
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86. Which is strange, because McCain wasn't born here.
He was born in Panama. The right wing projects again.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:06 AM
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19. That actually has never been defined and it is not defined in the constitution
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:48 AM
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43. It has been codified into law by Congress.
1994 The Immigration and Nationality Technical Corrections Act of 1994 amended several sections of the Immigration and Nationality Act, and took effect on March 1, 1995.

Amended Section 322 permits children born overseas of a U.S. citizen parent to be eligible for a certificate of citizenship if either their U.S. citizen parent or a U.S. citizen grandparent had been physically present in the United States for at least five years, two of which after the age of 14, prior to the child's birth abroad. This provision also applies to a child adopted abroad.

Amended Section 301 (h) gives back U.S. citizenship to a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States.

Amended Section 324 (d) (1) allows former U.S. citizens who lost their citizenship through failure to meet the former conditions of physical presence in the United States to retain their citizenship to regain their citizenship without having to file an application for naturalization.

The law also allows U.S. citizen parents to apply for U.S. citizenship from abroad for their foreign-born children under the age of 18, provided the child is physically present in the United States pursuant to a lawful admission when the citizenship is granted.


If these criteria are met, you will be accepted as a 'natural-born' citizen.
Matters not, a birth certificate issued on American soil means Obama is American as your favorite pie.

See:http://www.aca.ch/hisuscit.htm


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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:57 AM
Response to Reply #43
46. No, that's citizenship, not a "natural born" citizen.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:46 AM
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53. These are the criteria set by law that are accepted for children born of citizens
Until there is a case brought before the Supreme Court, these are the legally accepted criteria that lets a citizen run for office.

Any office.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:01 AM
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58. Not "any" office. There are different citizenship qualifications.
It does not apply to "any office" as you said, it did when the constitution was written but not now. The restriction of natural born citizen is on the presidency. I don't know what reason you have for lying about that.




No person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained to the age of twenty five years, and been seven years a citizen of the United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state in which he shall be chosen.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section2

No person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the age of thirty years, and been nine years a citizen of the United States and who shall not, when elected, be an inhabitant of that state for which he shall be chosen.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articlei.html#section3

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution , shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.

http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html



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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #58
61. You cannot read.
Read what I posted about the matter never being brought before the Supreme Court. Read the actual laws pertaining to citizenship passed into law by Congress, and have never been rescinded or declared unconstitutional.



If you think I'm lying, I can live with that. At least I'm not willfully ignorant of the written word.



As per your usual tiresome self.


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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:24 AM
Response to Reply #61
64. I did read. You said it had been codified into law.


"If these criteria are met, you will be accepted as a 'natural-born' citizen."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4279393#4279639


Are you saying that law settles it, or are you going with the supreme court hasn't ruled on it. Which is what I was saying when I said it hadn't been defined. To which you said it had been decided by law.

The law did not make any statement about natural born citizenship, and of course they have never been challenged as only when someone born outside of the US and elected to serve as president or vice-president would there be a valid case for a challenge and a judicial determination.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:03 PM
Response to Reply #64
74. A strict interpretation of the Constitution
Could define the criteria of 'natural born' citizen to only pertain to the election of the first president, based on the exact wording and the time line specified therein.

There is an either/or written into the Constitution itself:


No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.



The people residing in this country at the time before the Constitution was written and ratified were never citizens of the United States until that political entity came into existence, that is why the 'natural born' clause was inserted into it.

It is not the over-riding criteria to become president of this country. Being a non-naturalized citizen is, as defined by law, then the age and time living on U.S. soil requirements must me met.






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COLGATE4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #46
70. No, Natural born citizen means being a citizen by reason of birth
as opposed to becoming a citizen by reason of naturalization. Doesn't mean that he had be born in the territorial United States, so long as one of his parents was an American citizen.
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RB TexLa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:53 AM
Response to Reply #70
73. So you will show me where the constitution defines it to mean that?
Edited on Tue Oct-21-08 11:54 AM by RGBolen
The supreme court might very well one day define it to mean that but they haven't, so, if you would be so nice as to show me where the constitution defines that term to mean that.


http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/constitution.articleii.html

No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the office of President; neither shall any person be eligible to that office who shall not have attained to the age of thirty five years, and been fourteen Years a resident within the United States.
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AzNick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:36 AM
Response to Reply #7
40. You are correct
Both him and McCain:

American-born
14 years in the US
35 years of age or more

That's all, folks. He could have been born oboard a space station, it would not change anything.

It just shows how stupid this is.

I had the same exact argument with some Ron Paul supporters who thought McCain should be DQed for being born in Panama (actually he was born in the PCZ, considered US territory).
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pitohui Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:42 AM
Response to Reply #40
69. he was born in colon, panama as per his birth certificate
Edited on Tue Oct-21-08 11:43 AM by pitohui
while colon is indeed in the canal zone, it was not us territory, it was leased, and it was in PANAMA hence why we have eventually ceded the zone to panama gov't control (and they are doing a nice job w. it too)

i can lease property in panama but i can't unilaterally claim it is part of the usa if i decide to have a baby on that property -- instead my baby is an america because i'm an american

some common sense please

the whole argument is silly, and moot

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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:56 AM
Response to Reply #3
15. Indeed. Like if he were born in Panama.
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:31 AM
Response to Reply #3
38. Obama has already released his birth certificate. He was born in Hawaii.
Ironically, it's McCain who was born outside the U.S.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:47 AM
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42. Wrong. His mother would still have been a US citizen
granting him US citizenship at birth. That's how it works.

He could have been born on Mars and he'd still be a US citizen from birth.

They're just tying themselves into knots because they want to pretend he was born Muslim in a Muslim country.

Never mind their own candidate is Panamanian by birth and only a US citizen because of the same "technicality" regarding his parents.

It's transparent. It's stupid. It's typically right wing.
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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:56 AM
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57. according to factcheck, a non partisan group, obama was born in the USA
Born in the U.S.A.
August 21, 2008
Updated: August 26, 2008
The truth about Obama's birth certificate.
Summary
In June, the Obama campaign released a digitally scanned image of his birth certificate to quell speculative charges that he might not be a natural-born citizen. But the image prompted more blog-based skepticism about the document's authenticity. And recently, author Jerome Corsi, whose book attacks Obama, said in a TV interview that the birth certificate the campaign has is "fake."

We beg to differ. FactCheck.org staffers have now seen, touched, examined and photographed the original birth certificate. We conclude that it meets all of the requirements from the State Department for proving U.S. citizenship. Claims that the document lacks a raised seal or a signature are false. We have posted high-resolution photographs of the document as "supporting documents" to this article. Our conclusion: Obama was born in the U.S.A. just as he has always said.

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html
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Arugula Latte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:02 AM
Response to Reply #3
59. John McCain was born in Panama. I'm sure you knew that, though.
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amyrose2712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:42 AM
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4. Just wondering...not trying to start anything, but why not?
If there is nothing wrong throw that shit in their faces?
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:46 AM
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9. Hmmmmmm... maybe it's because he already has? Here it is.
Edited on Tue Oct-21-08 08:51 AM by OmmmSweetOmmm
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Jed Dilligan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:08 PM
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76. Disgusting, I hope they don't still put "race" on birth certificates.
The census is sufficient for collecting that data.
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Raksha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:28 PM
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83. That's probably what really has the Freepers tied in knots...
When they look at where it says, "Mother's race: Caucasian; Father's race: African." Their WORST racist nightmare spelled out in a few short words! They literally can't believe their eyes, so their has to be something wrong with the birth certificate--there just HAS to be!!!
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amyrose2712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 05:17 PM
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94. Then WTF? ill admit i miss day of propaganda here so i may be lost.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:48 AM
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10. I'd be screwed because I didn't get a birth certificate until I was going into the navy
I was born at home out in the sticks. The doctor that delivered me came by horseback, too much snow to get a car in back there at the time.

By the time I got a birth certificate the doc who delivered me had been dead for years too so it was mom and dads word that I was even born :-)
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yardwork Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:32 AM
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39. Obama has released his birth certificate. You can view it on his website.
This is just another right wing lie.
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madokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:43 AM
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5. Hey I did read on here that he had blue lips
not sure what that means :rofl:
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sickinohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:45 AM
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6. I thought birth certificates are a matter of public record?
Am I wrong? And what idiots all those people are. I can't wait until November 5th and Obama is our new President Elect!!
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:57 AM
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16. Birth certificates aren't really
public record. Because obtaining the birth certificate of someone else is often the first step in establishing a false identity, most states make it a little tricky to get one. You have to be that person, or closely connected to that person to get one. I'm sure people are still able to obtain one fraudulently, but they are not released readily to just anyone.

And, the Barack Obama birth certificate has been out there for a good six months now, so anyone claiming he won't release it has been living under a rock.
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sickinohio Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:07 AM
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20. Thanks for the information. n/t
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baldguy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:46 AM
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8. How come McCain won't release HIS Certificate of Live Birth?
Because nobody would be able to read the cuneiform writing on the clay tablet.
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:51 AM
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13. No, no, no...
McCain's birth certificate was roughly scratched into the wall of a cave somewhere, along with some finger-paintings of dead wolves and a moose. The registrar was a nice guy named "Ug-lug"--I've heard that he does Geico commercials now!

:P
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csziggy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:15 AM
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27. Here is McCain's Birth Certificate
?v=0
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Lyric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:20 AM
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29. I found another account of his birth.


Yours is just a copy--this is the Original.

:rofl:
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Ashy Larry Donating Member (900 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:49 AM
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11. I'm pretty sure Obama is a hologram.
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prayin4rain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:18 PM
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80. yeah, why hasn't Obama proved that he exists??? n/t
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KarenS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:49 AM
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12. He did release it,,,,,

http://fightthesmears.com/articles/5/birthcertificate

are folks still trying to bring this up as an issue??
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:59 AM
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18. Oh, that's obviously a FAKE!
Don't you see, it doesn't matter to the Reich-wingers. If he doesn't release it, they bash him for it. When he does release it, they call it a fake - which I've heard them do that also.
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guitar man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 08:51 AM
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14. because they don't have those on Krypton?
:rofl:
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SteelPenguin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:09 AM
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23. Seriously
I don't know what the hubub is about. He admitted he was born on Krypton. Sheesh. ;)
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notadmblnd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:20 AM
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28. well he did say he was from Krypton and that his father Jar-el sent him to save mankind
How much you wanna bet the fundie nut really believe this?
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Blue Diadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:22 AM
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33. Snopes says he has released it and that it's authentic.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/birthcertificate.asp

Reich-wingers continue to show their ignorance.
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Happyhippychick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:39 AM
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41. Shhhhh....don't tell the freepers. Let them drone on.
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Hugabear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:48 AM
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44. Doesn't matter. Freepers have already decided it's a fake.
Isn't that what the latest spin is, that he went to Hawaii to have his birth certificate faked?

Doesn't matter if it's confirmed on Snopes. Since when do facts matter to a freeper?
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Happyhippychick Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 09:53 AM
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45. They say that's why he's going to Hawaii? Oh my.
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:18 AM
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49. Because on Kriypton
they decided to keep his identity secret, in order for him to come to planet earth and save us - makes perfect sense to me.
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BlueIris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:42 AM
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51. Now, now. He can't release the "real" COLB, because by keeping people busy arguing about it,
he keeps them distracted enough not to notice that he's...(whispers)...winning.

Don't tell FreakRepublic until Nov. 5. It'll be easier for them to survive the next fortnight that way.
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krispos42 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:51 AM
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54. Jesus H. Christ













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La Lioness Priyanka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 10:55 AM
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56. according to factcheck, his birth certificate does exist.
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 11:29 AM
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65. my nephews were born in France
of an American mom ergo--they are American citizens .
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:05 PM
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75. My nephew was born in Spain.
If he lives here for fourteen years, and is thirty-five years of age, he can run for president.
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1awake Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:11 PM
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77. no he can't.
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1awake Donating Member (852 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:13 PM
Response to Reply #65
78. the issue isnt American citizenship,
it's being a natural-born citizen. They are not the same thing.

Let me be clear, from my point of view, its not Obama that needs to worry but McCain. There is no argument that he is a US citizen.. but is he a "natural born" citizen.
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Ikonoklast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:33 PM
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85. There is an either/or in the Constitution.
You can be natural born, OR a citizen.

It doesn't say anywhere in the Constitution of the United States that you have to be BOTH.

NOWHERE.

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strategery blunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:07 PM
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91. The fourteen-years stipulation comes in
if you are 1) a natural-born citizen,

2) leave the United States,

and 3) return to the United States. In which case the Constitution mandates fourteen years' residency in the United States, in addition to being a natural-born citizen.

Yes, it's confusing, and the bane of civics classes everywhere...
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steve2470 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 12:31 PM
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84. To run for the US Senate, don't you have to prove you are a US Citizen ?
To me, that would settle the whole stupid argument of theirs.
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carlyhippy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 03:09 PM
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92. Good Lord on a Ritz
Can't they find something better to harp on....like FIXING THE MESS OUR COUNTRY IS IN?!?!?!?!?!
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amyrose2712 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 05:15 PM
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93. I'll admit maybe, I am stupidor stone or both. Are there 2 birth certifates?nt
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Hekate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Oct-21-08 05:21 PM
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95. Over at the Honolulu Advertiser article on his grandma there's trolls bitching about this....
... in the comment section, and mocking some local who wrote about the Aloha Spirit. These people need to get lives of their own.

Hekate


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