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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 09:55 PM
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What is with the RACISM within various immigrant cultures? "I won't vote for a black man"
I live in Los Angeles. I just got the shock of my life
while visiting the corner market just now...
The clerk, a young Syrian in his twenties, and I were
chatting- he has been a citizen for four years and
always plays the BEST music in the store when
he is working. I asked him if he planned to watch
the Obama broadcast tonight. He went off on a tirade
about the terrible things that would happen if a "black" person
were elected as our president. In short, that the black
people in this country were going to come after the rest of us.

He is also against McCain and said he simply wasn't going to
vote. I told him it was his duty as a citizen to vote. He said
if he did vote, he would vote against the "black" man.
I told him to stay home.

Here in Los Angeles, the racism is really disturbing to me.
We have more gang members than any city in the
United States.
Armenian gangs, Latino gangs, African American gangs,
Skinhead gangs, Vietnamese gangs- you name it, we got it.

They all hate each other and routinely beat, shoot and
harass each other.

Trouble is, the racism isn't simply a "gang" thing, it is
CULTURAL. The hatred of the "other" is taught at home.
As I witnessed tonight in my young Syrian friend.

You know, I always thought immigration was a GOOD thing.
These days I'm not so sure.

Not when the people coming here foster such hate towards
people who are not "like them."

I think it is a slap in the face for those who fought for
equality through out our history as a nation.

I don't welcome immigrants who bring more racism to
our country.

We've had plenty with out them.

Sorry, I just had to vent.

BHN



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Historic NY Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 10:01 PM
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stillcool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 10:01 PM
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1. Some of it goes back to..
where people are born, and the culture they are raised in..just like here. They learn to hate a certain people for wrongs real or imagined. Then there are the real battles over the piece of the pie. Everyone thinks someone else is going to take it from them, because there isn't enough to go around.
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Beregond2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 10:04 PM
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2. One of the most annoying myths
is that Americans are somehow uniquely racist. In fact, racism is a world-wide phenomenon. In America, the races are thrown together much more than in most countries, so that leads to more open conflict sometimes, but it also leads to people overcoming their prejudices in time. It is only to be expected that immigrants will bring their biases with them. It has always been that way.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:28 AM
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13. That's VERY true. Racism is far more evident and obvious in many other countries.
Japan is obsessive about heritage ... and families that, way back in history, were relegated to the menial (dirty) occupations are still regarded as 'lower class.' Folks with Chinese or Korean ancestry are also regarded as 'lower class.' And gaijin ... westerners ... really never find equal acceptance. In Viet Nam, the ethnic Chinese were treated similarly to the Jews of Eastern Europe in the 19th century. The tribal people (from the Hmong to the Montanard) were treated as 'other' ... and only the ethnically 'pure' Vietnamese were regarded as upper class. (Some of that was the result of colonialism, of course.) Latin America is rife with discrimination towards indigenous people with a continued colonial bias in favor of Spanish family lineage.

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bullwinkle428 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 10:04 PM
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3. Racism and bigotry existed long before even the concept of "America"
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ogneopasno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 10:06 PM
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4. Racism exists even where people aren't white.
nt
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Gwendolyn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 10:11 PM
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5. Guess what. Many immigrants are also anti-gay and anti-abortion rights...

AND they vote conservative too. People are people no matter where they come from.
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kestrel91316 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 10:15 PM
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6. Fortunately, most those folks (the gang members, recent immigrants)
Edited on Wed Oct-29-08 10:23 PM by kestrel91316
are too lazy and unmotivated to vote. The gang members are too busy being full-time wastes of oxygen.

On edit: OOPS, this came out wrong. Gang members >>>> too lazy, unmotivated
Recent immigrants >>>> not yet voters
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boozepusher Donating Member (152 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 10:24 PM
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9. I think racism is a "human" thing.
What I mean is, I think it is present in all cultures. Some just tolerate it more than others. For many years racism was not only tolerated in the U.S. it was the norm. Other countries are where we were 50-100 years ago as far as race relations. When those people immigrate to the U.S. they bring those feelings with them.
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BeHereNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 11:20 PM
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10. Welcome to DU, and yes, they DO bring that shit with them...UNfortunately.
I work with kids and I see it on a daily basis.
It sickens me, the things they say and do to one another.

There is so much hatred in this country right now.
Makes me want to move to a cave and become a recluse.
Just me and my fur people- and my kid of course.

BHN


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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 10:21 PM
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7. I've met several African Americans that are pro-civil rights for them...
...but abhor the thought of civil rights for homosexuals. As in shared partner health insurance, marriage, death benefits, etcetera.

What's good for the goose ain't good for the idiot gander sometimes.

Not all mind you but enough to make me gag.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Oct-29-08 10:23 PM
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8. There is a lot of sexism in the black community. Sad. nt
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Brewman_Jax Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:03 AM
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11. Goes in the other direction, too
there are homosexuals that are just as racist, too.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:35 PM
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15. True
it's weird, isn't it?
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SeattleGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:15 AM
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12. I see that around my neighborhood quite often.
I live in a very racially mixed neighborhood, which I love, but sometimes my jaw drops at things I've heard the different minorities say about each other.

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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:32 AM
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14. We didn't invent it; we just perfected it.
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rucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 01:40 PM
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16. Oh, we could slice and dice this up into all kinds of divisions.
I think it comes down to the same types of people in any race, ethnicity, religion or culture, who must bring people down in order to feel any kind of self-worth. Accepting a common struggle would be admitting they're part of an underclass.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 02:20 PM
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20. The first mistake is in separating human beings into "types" ... objectification.
The objectification of human beings -- treating others or ourselves as a means to an end instead of an end in ourselves -- is the fundamental ethical flaw. We are not commodities. Our labor is NOT a commodity. We are ALL unique and special ... all part of the human family. We are OF nature not ABOVE nature -- OF the earth not above the earth.

When we can get that through our thick skulls, we'll have finally made some progress.
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 02:02 PM
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17. There is no racism or ill will towards anyone in the
Anarcho-Syndicalist commune where I live. We take it in turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week, but all the decisions of that officer
have to be ratified at a special bi-weekly meeting by a simple majority in the case of purely internal affairs.


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Cabcere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 02:17 PM
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19. Your name isn't Dennis, by any chance, is it?
;) :hi:
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deaniac21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 04:56 PM
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21. Stop repressing me!
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Forkboy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-30-08 02:11 PM
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18. Different is different, and people fear different.
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