Morans on Film: "If Barack Obama is elected president, what will it say about America?'

Halloween-day rally for John McCain in Columbus, Ohio, ANP asked McCain supporters a simple question: If Barack Obama is elected president, what will it say about America?


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omg.... the stupidity is just mind boggling!

:crazy:

It shows we're NOT all racist bigots, and that a black child from a broken home can become the leader of the free world.

And that we recognize what a terrible failure Bush was.

It will only say good things.

the dreams baby boomers and others before us were led to believe. That anyone can grow up and be President. It will say that we are back as a real superpower in the world community and we don't need to invade countries to prove it.

Just ask the question, and listen to the answers. The young fellow early on in the video with the suit from the Junior Alex P. Keaton clothing line is clearly parroting what he's heard all his life at home. The young lady toward the end, in my mind, was just aching to say that Obama is (gasp!) black, but something inside her tiny little brain told her that was not appropriate to say. Mr. Toothless, the shirt vendor, and the woman who closed the video could both stand a little bit of socialism to raise their standard of living, but seem willfully ignorant of just who's been picking their pockets all their lives. Hint: It's not po' folk. And finally, what to say about Mr. Real Estate Mogul, who had to declare bankruptcy. Shorter version of his comments: "Hell no the system isn't working, but damn if I'm going to vote for the Scary Black Man."

I will never understand people that vote against their best interests. ever.

I'd do much better under a McCain government. I find it perfectly easy to understand.

:crazy:

I'm just confused why ALL people in a party that is at least BETTER at supporting others can't understand that.

I'm not an altruist or a saint. I like money. But even I know it's not all about me and that the country is better off If I pay a bit higher taxes than a McDonald's trainee.

The people who vote Rep against their self interest I presume are similarly (if misguidedcly of course) motivated. If I had to guess I suspect they think it's better for the rich to pay less taxes so the rich can employ them (which makes no sense, since taxes on business owners are levied on income after expenses like payroll but hey) or even that they don't care about fiscal inequalities as long as unborn babies get to live or some such glurgey shite.

But either way I don't find it difficult to understand people voting against their self interest at all.

there is so much more at stake so voting one issue is nothing less than selfish.....

see this reply: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4360466&mesg_id=4361605

The example you responded to was a financial one no - voting agisnt the worng group for "picking their pocket"? And you said you couldn't understand them voting against their interests? I said I could, because I do likewise. Wouldn't that not just imply but pretty much prove that I'm not basing it all on my wallet? Am I missing something here or how is my voting AGAINST my financial self interest selfish? I'm no great paragon opf altruism I confess, but in this case it happens to be that overall considerations mean me voting against a tax cut for me.

But if you measure all things together, financial, societal, environmental, and so on and so forth, are you still going to do much better under a McCain government?

Obviously I think the world would be better off with Obama or I wouldn't be here, wouldn't ahve sent money to him and wouldn't be voting for him, but I don;t think much of that is to do with me personally. I'm a white suburban upper middle class male who owns guns and has a management job in the biotech/pharma field. I'm pretty much target zero for the non-religious-wackkjob wing of the Republican party.

The only way in which it is my self-interest to vote Obama is in universalizing those interests. A s a utilitarian this is second nature, and agin please believe I am not claiming to be anything but a normal, self-centered person here. I don;t work tirelessly for the poor or social justice. I do a bit, but far less than I should, let alone could. I am far from a nice and sensitive soul, but I do make decisions on universalized harm and benefit.

I've got good, affordable health care, but society will be more cohesive and businesses will be more flexible if we had a universal single payer system, so I want a candidate who will move us in that direction. I am not the victim of any prejudices beyond my immigant accent (which is faint and not from a "bad" country so very mild and my atheism (which I can shut up about if I seek to avoid prejudice) but we will be both a better and more successful society if nobody is a victim of prejudice, so I want a candidate who can reduce that. I'm technically bi, but in no way interested in marrying a man, and yet I believe we will see a more honest and less repressive society if we give all sexualities equal rights to fully participate in the civil and social benefiots of marriage, so I want a candidate who will at least not be an obstacle to that. Same for abortion rights - I am male and sterile. Same for access to capital - even though I have no worries there. So even when I look at the greater interests of scoeity it's not all that greater for me as an individual.

About the only significant way that I will be better off under an Obama presiedency is actually one of the most tenuous differences and I am largely going on faith (pun intended) that he will be less amenable to allowing religion to be enshrined into law, regartdless of his own obviously deep faith.

But the country and the world will be a lot better off and that's what matters Again I am not claiming sainthood here - if I personally were going to be a LOT worse off under Obama and in more menaingful ways than a couple hundred a month in taxes, then I'd reconsider, but we're light years away from that. I would have voted for Dennis K had he made it for example. You'd really have to get into far fringe left wing candidates before I'd consider McCain a better universalized choice.

:puke: And I just want to add this.

Any 'democrat' who is voting for mccain because they can't vote for a black man, IS NOT A DEMOCRAT!

and their reign of idiocy is over and will never have a voice in politics again