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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:25 PM
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Dean prepares to step down.
Dean Prepares To Step Down As DNC Chair

Not surprised, especially since the 50 State staffers are being laid off at the end of the month.

He had recently said he would only stay on if Obama asked him to do so.

Dean, who has been serving in the post since 2005, has said in the past that he would serve only one term, though his successful work with the Obama campaign had led some Democrats to wonder whether he would stay on into the next administration. This won't be the case, officials at the DNC confirm. He will serve as chair until his term ends in January. The party will settle on a new head when it hosts a meeting during the week of Obama's inauguration.

In sheer political terms, the choice really wasn't Dean's to make. Indeed, any decision on who will serve as the next DNC chair will come with directives from Obama and his aides. And a name being floated around as a possible Dean replacement is one of the president-elect's closest allies: Claire McCaskill, the junior Senator from Missouri and a national co-chair of the Obama campaign.

"My sense is that the Obama folks are pretty insular and don't want somebody else building the party and haven't even decided what building the party means for them," explained one aide. "I bet they go with a split chair again ... McCaskill at Chair, and somebody like Steve Hildebrand at Operational Chair."




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shireen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:27 PM
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1. Howard Dean did a brilliant job. I hope he is recognized for it, and stays on. nt
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:29 PM
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2. They are already calling it Obama's 50 state strategy.
I saw 3 articles today.

They could have least have said thank you.

It will be good to see him out of there and doing something else.
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denverbill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:30 PM
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3. I hope Howard stays on. We need him! Great job Doc! n/t
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:32 PM
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4. No, it just said he is gone.
Laying off the staffers has begun.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:34 PM
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5. Of course this makes me sad, but McCaskill would be a good choice.
Claire was relentless in her support during the campaign and she knows about life in the red states.

Wait a minute! What about her Senate seat??? We can't lose her from the Senate! Ok, I've changed my mind - "No" on Claire leaving the Senate.

I just hate to hear of Dean going anywhere, ya know? Although, he is probably a bit fatigued of always being first in line during the shitstorms - LOL.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:36 PM
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7. I would not care except he is getting no credit for the 50 state plan
I think I will be glad he is out of there.

We stopped our donations last week when we heard about Rahm's appointment.

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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:59 PM
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15. Wasn't it funny to see Bill Bennett, of all people, giving props to Dean on Election Night?
I nearly fell outta my chair!

Bill Freaking Bennett was much more gracious to Dean than Carville was that night.
Bennett said nice things about Dean and Carville STILL could not spit out anything decent.

I think all the right people know, I know that Obama knows and you know that Dean would be the last person to claim personal credit.
Dean just wants the strategy continued and so far, I think it will be. I mean, it worked!

What donations did you stop on Rahm's appt? To which agency? I'm still doing automatic monthly support to the DNC & DFA and will continue for now.

On the Rahm thing....

I hated Rahm being over DCCC! I thought his influence absolutely killed us in elections (always going for the DLC pick) - it was like the antidote to the 50 State Strategy. And I intensely disliked his personal opposition to Dean.

HOWEVER.....

I actually think his appt to Chief of Staff plays to his strengths - AND it has the benefit of removing him from picking our political candidates in the future.
Not to mention getting him out of our administrative functions of legislative business.

Rahm IS a partisan, and I'm of the opinion that is a GOOD thing in a Chief of Staff.
He is also a very strong personality (absolutely necessary in that job), and he is 100% supportive and loyal to Obama.

I know Rahm sticks in the craw a bit, but just think about it Mad, these things really are his forte and we're getting him away from influencing who our candidates are.

I am cautiously optimistic about Van Hollen taking over DCCC, and getting Rahm out of the Dem caucus is a very good thing too.

Now, if we could only get Schumer away from the SCCC - but here's hope!:

http://www.newsday.com/services/newspaper/printedition/saturday/nation/ny-usschu085917431nov08,0,3405375.story
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:02 PM
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16. The right wing blogs give him credit....left wing blogs gone silent.
except for a brief speaking out at Open Left

Party leaders have not mentioned his name.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:17 PM
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21. Well, let's see how this goes. It's early, let's not "borrow trouble" - LOL.
Dean has proven himself, and they all know it - whether they can admit it or not.
The important thing is that his policies be continued, we'll see how that turns out.

On the Rahm thing - can you see how it's a good thing to get him out of the DCCC & the legislative branch?

As long as he was still in charge of picking our congressional candidates AND running the Dem caucus, we were screwed - Dean or no Dean.

I think at the bare minimum, it was GREAT to get him outta there. Does that give you any hope?

I want you to have hope, Mad :pals:

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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:22 PM
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24. Thanks for wanting me to have hope.
I appreciate that.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:10 PM
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18. The 50 state staffers, I mean, have been laid off already.
As to donations, I meant we saw the lay of the land as soon as the election was over. We stopped our donations to the DNC because we had donated to support the 50 state plan.

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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:25 PM
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25. I know it sounds & feels bad, but it really isn't unusual for that to happen.
And believe me, these folks tend to stay around in politics, getting picked for new jobs & positions.

I'm committed to staying w/the DNC until I see something I REALLY don't like.
They need all of us Mad, in the good times and the lean times. Especially us, the fiercely loyal.
I think Howard would hate to hear of his supporters leaving the cause now.

I hate to see you withdraw your support, these are good times for us and your own state just turned blue.
I'm marooned in a hopelessly Red State and about all I can do is help out Dems in other states and at the federal level.

Dems all over need other good Dems like you.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:42 PM
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30. Not really, the point is greater for me.
I will talk more about it later. It has to do with going back to the old ways, and people here are still not seeing that the party just closed itself up again.

More later.

Not about his leaving as chair, I expected that.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:35 PM
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6. Obama wants someone loyal to him in that position
Besides, Obama's people have been running the day-to-day operations at the DNC since Obama became the presumptive nominee in June.
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trudyco Donating Member (975 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:36 PM
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8. This sucks. First Rahm Emanual and now this?
Howard Dean should have been more visible like his predecessor. He definately had the right idea. They should be continuing operations and keeping volunteers involved. So Obama is going to be top down, huh. How disappointing.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:59 PM
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31. And they are begging Lieberman to stay.
Bill Clinton making calls on his behalf, Obama supporting his staying.

There is no time for any of them to even give Dean credit for the starting to rebuild the party, now it is all their idea..

I just feel odd.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:48 PM
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9. Thank you, Howard Dean.
The more I've learned about him, the more I respect and admire him. His efforts were an essential part of our 2008 victories.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:54 PM
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10. What next for Dean?
A role in the Administration or put out to the talk show pasture?
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:57 PM
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12. Since his name has not crossed the lips of party leaders since the election...
I doubt they will welcome him into the administration.

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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:04 PM
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17. Well, it's the book and talk show "pasture" for him.
I may not have agreed with him on some issues, but his 50 state strategy was perfect and needs to continue.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:18 PM
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22. wrong again. his name has been mentioned. I saw it on CNN
and other stations. It's been mentioned for Sec of HHS>\
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:20 PM
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23. I am...
updating my list. Bye now.
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cobalt1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:36 PM
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29. That's good to hear.
I hated to think he wasn't being leveraged in some capacity.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:55 PM
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11. Rewriting history already.
Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 02:01 PM by madfloridian
Dean started the 50 State Strategy in 2005. Now they are leaving him out of the election picture.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=96810759

"A Changing Map

Obama's coalition of support goes well beyond the African-American community. He is the first Democrat since Jimmy Carter to win a majority of the popular vote, a vindication of his "50-state strategy" that even some in his own party once viewed as quixotic. By the end of Tuesday, broad swaths of the American political map that had been solid red in recent elections had undergone a dramatic transformation."

Yes, it was viewed as quixotic, but that is a quick rewrite. I have read two other articles today accrediting the strategy to the wrong person.

But that's just politics...to the victor etc.

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Hidden Stillness Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:58 PM
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13. Oh, God--I Don't Like This at All
Oh, God help us, I don't like this at all. Howard Dean is the reason for the totally rebuilt Democratic Party, across the whole Nation, with responsive, paid staff, organization, campaigns across the country (has anyone forgotten that as recently as John Kerry, 2004, they were still doing that shitty old "D"LC EIGHTEEN-State "strategery"?), supporting progressive/liberal candidates, with the huge database and internet fundraising (this was DEAN'S invention, 2004 Presidential bid), populist orientation of the Party again, saving it from the "Clinton consultant forum" crowd, and making it popular and addressing the issues of the people, again. I don't like this at all, and I know that they will steal all the credit from Dean, starting immediately. I only hope Dean will still somehow have influence. God help the Democratic Party of Roosevelt and Kennedy; I think this may be another Clinton/1994/give-to-Republicans-and-lobbyists again.

"There was just such a huge difference between Obama and Hillary Clinton, and anyone who does not support Obama is a racist," how was that again? Please don't let it go back to being a closed corporate operation again. Thank you, with great appreciation, Howard Dean. Please stay on.
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IndianaJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 01:59 PM
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14. Obama has shown good judgment in winning elections and it is his call. nt.
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Cali_Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:12 PM
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19. He did a fine job
Thanks Dean.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:13 PM
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20. no. he did not say he'd only stay if Obama asked him to
Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 02:14 PM by cali
he said he'd consider staying. big difference. he's made it crystal clear that he. is. not. interested. in. it. And you know why. Because there is no independence under a dem WH. That job in that context is not Howard's cup of tea.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:27 PM
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26. McCaskill is not among my favorite people.
I wish Doctor Dean would stay on.
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TheDebbieDee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 08:42 PM
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32. Sen Claire McCaskill is my senator and whoooooo boy!
Is she a disappointment! I've been calling her a DINO on this site for several months now.

Although I hope Missouri replaces Sen Kit Bond with a real Dem in the 2010 Elections, I'll vote anyone more progressive will run against her when she's up for re-election.
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Lifetimedem Donating Member (652 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:30 PM
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27. he did a fine job
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curse of greyface Donating Member (594 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 02:32 PM
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28. Somebody needs to give that man a "Mission Accomplished" banner.
Great Job Howard. If Obama is wise he will listen to you council for many years to come.
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