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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:32 PM
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Obama Wants Lieberman To Remain In Democratic Caucus
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Obama Wants Lieberman To Remain In Democratic Caucus
November 10, 2008 02:45 PM


President-elect Barack Obama has informed party officials that he wants Joe Lieberman to continue caucusing with the Democrats in the 111th Congress, Senate aides tell the Huffington Post.

Obama's decision could tie the hands of Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, who has been negotiating to remove Lieberman as chair of the Homeland Security and Government Reform committee while keeping him within the caucus. Lieberman has insisted that he will split from the Democrats if his homeland security position is stripped.

Aides to the president-elect did not return requests for comment. Senate officials were unclear whether Obama would be comfortable with Lieberman maintaining his current committee post.

Meanwhile, Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell has said that he would welcome Lieberman into the GOP, though he has little to offer in terms of committee assignments.

If Lieberman were to continue caucusing with the Democrats without being punished for his campaign conduct -- Democrats say he broke a promise not to campaign negatively against Obama -- the progressive community will undoubtedly be up in arms. For Obama, however, the move may be a shrewd gesture towards reconciliation, in the process taking a potentially taxing political fight off the table.

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/11/10/obama-wants-lieberman-to_n_142731.html
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Pab Sungenis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:33 PM
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1. Firing Dean, hiring Rahm, keeping Traitor Joe....
...not off to a good start, Barack.
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rateyes Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:35 PM
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2. He didn't fire Dean. Dean left because he wanted to leave.
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:36 PM
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4. No one fired Dean. He stepped down.
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Kittycat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:36 PM
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5. Dean said all along he was only going to serve one term.
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ColbertWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:39 PM
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11. WTF! Dean's gone!? When did this happen!? (Sorry to threadjack) n/t
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Alexander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:38 PM
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8. Speaking out of ignorance and making things up...
Not off to a good start, pabsungenis.
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:39 PM
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14. you have NO CLUE what you are talking about
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:35 PM
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3. ugh. n/t
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:38 PM
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7. I bet Joe loses his chairmanship
What do you think?
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:41 PM
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17. I'm banking on the ambitions and greed of Senate Democrats to oust Lieberman from his committee
chair. Lieberman can stay in the caucus but he must not keep his committee chair. Lieberman can threaten to bolt to the GOP, but the GOP is in shambles and can only offer empty vanity. Call Lieberman's bluff, Reid!!!
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Ichingcarpenter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:44 PM
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20. If he doesn't lose his chair I will be very unhappy
I really don't care if he caucus with the democrats or not.
Face it, he needs to caucus with democrats and vote with them
in order to get his earmarks for his state.
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orleans Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:47 PM
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24. he better. he absolutely should. n/t
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OmmmSweetOmmm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:56 PM
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31. You took "ugh" right out of my fingers. nt
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Veritas_et_Aequitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:38 PM
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6. I hope in this instance Obama is disappointed. nt
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:38 PM
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9. I don't know why this is seen as shrewd
Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 03:40 PM by Strawman
It's nice PR I guess. A gesture that says he is not interested in being partisan but why should any Senator worry about crossing him after Joe gets away with the bullshit that he did? I mean maybe he wins one news cycle over this at the beginning of his term, but over the long haul I'm not so sure this is strategically smart.
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:38 PM
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10. Well, if Barack wants him in, I guess I can't complain.
I have to say, Barack has a lot thicker skin and tolerance level than I'd have. Given the shitty job Joe did with oversight on DHS, I certainly wouldn't want him running this committee.
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kid a Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:39 PM
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12. Good strategy - Keep Your Enemies Close (nt)
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Larkspur Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:39 PM
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13. Most progressives say lieberman can stay in caucus but must be stripped of committee chairmanship
The GOP has nothing to offer Lieberman except empty vanity. Call Lieberman's bluff, Reid.
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GodlessBiker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:40 PM
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15. Barack is a classy guy. Me? Not so much. Lieberman should go.
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Are_grits_groceries Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:41 PM
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16. Sorry. I'm not going quietly with this one.
Joe Lie screwed a lot of people, and will continue to do so.
I'd rather have him without a committee and in or gone. He doesn't
deserve to be rewarded, and we don't deserve to be screwed again.
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zoner4 Donating Member (9 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 05:26 PM
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40. i dont agree
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:42 PM
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18. Strike two :( n/t
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Avalux Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:46 PM
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23. What was your first strike? n/t
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FLAprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:53 PM
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30. Rahm. Don't worry though...he gets 10 strikes. lol n/t
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:42 PM
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19. Pragmatism over partisanship, it really is a new day
in the White House.

Not everyone will be happy. Too bad.
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:20 PM
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35. Yes, though I'm one of those that isn't happy about this.
Hopefully it comes with caveats, like he "WILL" do what the Dems want him to.
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Alter Ego Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:44 PM
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21. Bah.
Well, I don't like the decision, but I really don't care. Lieberman's just one of 100 now--he has no real power if he loses his chairmanships.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:45 PM
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22. I'm not keen on it but Obama is just showing that he's the bigger man in all of this
and I have alot of respect for that.
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Justitia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:47 PM
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25. Yup, keep him in our caucus (he doesn't go anyway) & take away the committee posts.
If Joe doesn't like it, tough shit. The republicans have no better deal for him and they are the party out of power.

Joe will have to suck it up or be on the outs completely.
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maddezmom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:50 PM
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26. that's what I think as well. Of course he wants Joe to caucus with the Dems
but he doesn't need to be in a position of leadership to do that anyway.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:50 PM
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27. Bingo!
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matt819 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:50 PM
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28. I don't like this any more than you do
And I wrote to Harry Reid to that effect. But this could be a brilliant strategic move. Basically Obama owns Lieberman, and if he doesn't toe the line, then Obama gets to boot him out, via Reid, when he (Obama) chooses.

You know, folks, I don't think we need to be generally second guessing President-Elect Obama. He ran a damn near flawless campaign, and he knows full well that his "special interest" group is us, and most of what he's going to do is going to be with the American people first and foremost in his mind.
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Strawman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 03:52 PM
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29. Are there any Senators retiring in 2 years who would want that chairmanship?
Give it to one of them and then if Joe behaves himself, he can have it back in 2 years.
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BlooInBloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:00 PM
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32. Dammit - he just just gave Lieberman some leverage....
I hope Obama's got something going on I can't see.
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BanTheGOP Donating Member (596 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:01 PM
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33. No recall mechanism for Connecticut..
Edited on Mon Nov-10-08 04:02 PM by BanTheGOP
...so we have to put up with this senatorial tumor for another 4 years. For Connecticut to be able to recall Joe Blow, they have to change the state constitution to allow for officeholder recalls.

Just in case anyone was wondering...
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onenote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:44 PM
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38. actually, for CT to be able recall Joe, they'd have to change the US Constitution
which, of course, they can't. US Senators are federal officers. States have no power to recall them. Only the Senate can decide to expel a member.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:07 PM
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34. The facile purism here is counterproductive. I agree with Obama.
We need to keep our opponents ideologically and politically confused. Keep Lieberman. More than anything, he is a toady to power. Obama has that now. Even let him keep a chairmanship. Who cares? Just strip the committee of any power.
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Strelnikov_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:23 PM
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36.  Agree. Keep Lieberman, they are one seat closer to 60
If Lieberman starts to be a problem in his votes, then he can be dumped.

As you said, Lieberman is a toady to power, O will play him like fiddle.
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David__77 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 04:34 PM
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37. The GOP was also smart to keep Lincoln Chafee.
They even campaigned for him two years after he didn't vote for Bush's reelection. That was smart, because if we had won him over, it would have hurt them. Let's keep Lieberman leashed.
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kath Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 05:25 PM
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39. Watch this video:
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 05:29 PM
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41. Obama knows that Lieberman votes with Senate Democrats the vast majority of the time
He would rather have his agenda passed than exact revenge.
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mnhtnbb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-10-08 05:34 PM
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42. Perhaps Obama has plans to de-emphasize Homeland Security. After all,
that was a huge boondoggle for the Bushies.
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