Check out this pic from the Prop 8 protest

gotta love this picture:

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/11/a-good-question.html

...there are some in the RR who think he made a choice and they can pray the gay away!

:shrug:

:rofl:

Why don't people tell me these things?:silly:

I'm starting to really like his blog. What do you think about this strategy?

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/11/how-to-respond.html

How To Respond To Mormon Attacks

The best answer I've seen so far comes from Equality Utah. Instead of throwing a hissy-fit, they are calling the LDS leadership's bluff:

The LDS Church has articulated it is not “anti-gay” but rather pro-marriage and it “does not object to rights for same-sex couples regarding hospitalization and medical care, fair housing and employment rights, or probate rights.” On November 5th, Elder L. Whitney Clayton stated the LDS Church does not oppose “civil unions or domestic partnerships.”

In response to these statements, Equality Utah is drafting legislation for the 2009 General Session of the Utah Legislature to address each of the issues mentioned by the LDS Church. During this press conference Equality Utah will be asking the LDS Church to demonstrate its conviction on these statements as well as its willingness to secure such rights for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender Utahns.

A leading Christianist, Tony Perkins, is now saying that "civil unions" in California are fine. Great. So let's ask the Family Research Council to support a full federal civil unions bill, with all the rights and responsibilities of civil marriage. President-elect Obama would be glad to help.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/11/how-to-respond.html

Mormons believe in "lying for the Lord."

Them saying they don't oppose civil unions or domestic partnerships is like Hitler saying that the Sudetenland was his "last territorial demand."

Yes, good point he makes! An unhappy marriage vs. a good, happy one!!!

She and her mother (his ex) are rabid fundies. Daughter had a friend since childhood, but now that they're almost out of high school, this boy has started indicating he's gay. So what does the mother do? Forbid her daughter any contact with the boy. :eyes: Personally, if I had a teenage daughter, the boys I'd prefer her to hang with would be gay guys--no chance of her being "deflowered" by them.

I have two cousins, one on each side of the family, who married gay men. Of course, they didn't know these guys were gay and I'm not sure that in at least one of the men did, either, until later. Needless to say that both marriages ended in divorce. "She was living with another man," quipped my dad about one of the two, "and so was her husband."

This wasn't recent. This was in the sixties, when gay men were in the closet, when homosexual behavior was outlawed in many places and homosexuality per se was thought of as a symptom of mental illness. I grew up in this climate of fear and hate. It was not until I became an adult that I realized that homophobia was based on lies, misinformation and even superstitions which still persist.

I was a straight man living in San Francisco in the mid-seventies when the city woke up and realized that if the next guy was gay it was no skin off any one straight person's back as long as he didn't make an unwanted pass. And he didn't make any unwanted passes. This is because in San Francisco if a gay man wanted sex, he could go places to meet other gay men of a like disposition and know that the police knew that they had better things to than raid the place. The openness toward homosexuality exhibited in San Francisco was a system that worked; gays were liberated from persecution and straights were liberated from homophobia. That was a win/win situation.

I would venture to say that there are fewer "traditional" marriages breaking up these days because one of the partners isn't suited to a "traditional" marriage. In an open and tolerant society, gay people don't have to pretend they're something other than what they are.

That is why I support gay marriage. That is how I came to do so.

My cousin married a "perfect" guy - doctor, Navy man, Catholic (well, perfect in a Catholic family) who divorced her, remarried, divorced again, and is now living as a woman. He knew he felt this way when he married, but his faith led him to TRY to be straight, with consequences for TWO different women.

I always ask elderly relatives "Do you want your daughter marrying someone who has always liked women, or someone who is a 'reformed gay'?" Yeah, I thought so.