I have a right winger cousin, GM retiree, who had a shit fit that Obama got elected.

If I'm not mistaken, Obama is in favor of bailing out the Big 3. Am I right?

I know Pelosi and Reid are in favor of it.

If the gov't bails out the big 3, if this cousin EVER says anything about welfare recipients again, I'll bring this up, and ask him, "What's the difference?"

remind him that the vast majority of individuals who receive assistance are children.

check from those very same welfare line. Then ask him if he is ready to give up his GM pension for the company, after all thats what big business has been doing these last 8 years. Which means he will end up down at the welfare office standing in line, begging for a hand out cause he can no longer afford food.

GM workers are some of the dumbest animals ever to crawl out from under a rock. How the hell can a union worker be against unions? Don't know either, but the freaking GM workers are anti - union, more then pro - union, it just makes one slame his head against the wall after talking to one of these idiots.

right now - threatening layoffs, closings if they are forced to maintian the current level of pension funding.

mark

Somehow, a single, unnamed GM retiree who you read about on an internet chat board = every GM worker in your universe.

friends were GM workers. I based my opinion on a majority of GM workers I have had run ins with over the last 40+ years. Don't assume that because you haven't run into GM workers like that no one else has. The majority of GM workers bitch about union dues, taxes, welfare, mortgages, car payments, insurance payments and anyone not working for GM. So no I did not base my post on what 1 retired GM worker, I based it from living around GM workers.

Just because you don't live around GM workers doesn't mean anyone else hasn't. Most of the wing nuts left in places like Flint and Saginaw Michigan are GM workers or retiree's of GM. Nothing like having a GM worker sitting with you in a bar crying in his beer because he no longer gets over time and he don't know how he will survive with "his" bills. Then turn around to talk about welfare queens living off the cream of the land which they worked hard to provide.

I know about the games GM workers play to insure they get their 40+ hours in, like having a GM buddy punch your time card because you met your production number 4 hours ahead of time. Or how about deliberately keeping production down so they don't have to work as hard every day. Or how about knowing a doctor that you pay $50 to and he writes you out a slip of paper saying you were sick for a day or 2.

Oh believe me, for all their big talk about working hard GM workers are lazy, not that all play these games, but the ones who do, their numbers would surprise you. BTW, I also know a few GM workers that were injured on the job because they refused to play these games. I also knew a few that got injured on purpose for job security, one of the perks from the unions they so despise.

...until a so-called socialist policy benefits them personally!!

I've been talking to apolitical types around me and that's the nut of it: who works and who doesn't.

So we have to say something like "The economic system failed a whole class of Americans BEFORE they even got a chance to find their careers." And if they come bac with, "Well they should just work anyway." Then We get to talk about less-than-a-living-wage, no benefits, no career path . . . .

One of the reasons I'm not shy about my opinions is: if I may speak, then SO may they and that's what I want, because in speaking they MUST think about what they mean.

Unbelieveable. We have asked them, flat out, where do you think you would be right now if McCain would have won? My brother in law would most probably be out of a job!

They voted for McCain solely based on race. No question about it and its very sad. They will benefit anyway. Thank goodness racism wasn't the predominate motivating factor in the election for the majority of others.

I, too, was quite upset back in 2000 when the election was stolen in plain sight, and indeed everything I feared would happen (and more) followed on the unmerited ascension of George W. Bush to the presidency. Back then, sympathetic right-wingers and conservawhackos had a canned response for every objection:

GET OVER IT!

and stop sponging off the socialist system of his retirement package ...

To be part of management in the auto industry one has to be very susceptible to brainwashing techniques or they don't want you. If a higher up tells them the sky is polka dotted they have to accept that as fact and repeat it at every chance. Its as if they become programmed like robots.

Yep.

Thanks for clarifying that.

Don

...and the UAW, to find a way to begin building cars in this country again.

When was the last time he heard a republican mention his union in other than derisive terms?
John McCain and Buxh's plan to help centers around the Colombian Free Trade Agreement. McCain spent a week of July there in the middle of his campaign to prepare them for the fruits of his presidency.

Indeed, when Barack met with shithead last week, he told Buxh he wanted him to work with him to save the car companies and jobs. Buxh offered a compromise: "we need CAFTA passed in 2009".

I hope your cousin knows republicans want to relieve the corporations of their "legacy costs".
That's his pension and health care.

He is management.

Don

while he was campaigning in Michigan - a not-so-subtle suggestion that he would let the American auto industry die before he did anything to assist them in any way!

in 2000

Then we had another SHIT FIT in 2004 when he stole another election...

Now, we have the largest Fit of all as the whole shebang comes crashing down on us....

The MOTHER OF ALL SHIT FITS is caused by them BUSH DUDES...the NeoCons, the PNACERS and the GOP...