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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 10:23 AM Original message |
"Direct Democracy" and Proposition 8 |
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brendan120678 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 10:39 AM Response to Original message |
1. Well said... |
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rucky (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 10:41 AM Response to Original message |
2. Tyrrany of the majority. |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
3. The problem is not with I&R |
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SoCalNative (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 10:47 AM Response to Reply #3 |
5. Exactly! |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #3 |
11. I "vote" for volunteers |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:05 AM Response to Reply #11 |
16. So you are saying that proposition 8 was a good idea since they had "volunteers'? |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:09 AM Response to Reply #16 |
19. Prop 8 was a bad idea across the board. |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:10 AM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Should we make it illegal? eom |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. Should we make what illegal? n/t |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #23 |
25. Allowing people to get paid to sign people up to put things on ballots. n/t |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:17 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. I really don't know, |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:22 AM Response to Reply #26 |
27. I think this is the first time the process was used to eliminate a right. |
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ContinentalOp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:30 AM Response to Reply #3 |
30. We need to require way more signatures too. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:02 PM Response to Reply #3 |
37. Don't understand your argument. There is a problem with I&R as you aptly described. nm |
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crispini (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:28 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. The OP is advocating getting rid of I&R altogether. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 06:20 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. What I heard the OP as saying is that direct democracy is dangerous. I agree. The founding fathers |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 10:43 AM Response to Original message |
4. Leftists. Interesting. n/t |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 10:52 AM Response to Reply #4 |
9. Leftists. Interesting |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 10:56 AM Response to Reply #9 |
12. Exactly. |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #12 |
17. No freepper here, I'm a Democrat and Populist |
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Starry Messenger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #17 |
24. I use "voter". nt |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #17 |
29. "Not everyone here is a Progressive, or a Liberal." |
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Bluenorthwest (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:40 PM Response to Reply #17 |
36. If you really care to look |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:02 AM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Are you joking? |
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Ichingcarpenter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:07 AM Response to Reply #14 |
18. Legal doesn't mean its not regulated |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:12 AM Response to Reply #18 |
22. Did I use the word "unregulated" at any point? |
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HamdenRice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
6. Originally direct democracy was enacted to get past the lobbyists and corrupt politicians |
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jmg257 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 10:49 AM Response to Original message |
7. Basic rights are ALWAYS supposed to be secured, especially from an over-reaching majority. |
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LatteLibertine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:01 AM Response to Reply #7 |
13. Good post |
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bemildred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 10:52 AM Response to Original message |
8. You know, autocrats and oligarchies don't have such a good record either. |
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Moochy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 10:53 AM Response to Original message |
10. It's Mob Rule |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:05 AM Response to Original message |
15. Henry Steele Commager's "Majority Rule and Minority Rights" addresses the issue. |
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davepc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:10 AM Response to Original message |
20. Ballot initiatives are mob rule. Let Representatives do their jobs. |
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Retrograde (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:29 AM Response to Reply #20 |
28. that's why I usually vote against them |
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MicaelS (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:38 AM Response to Reply #28 |
31. Good post, thank you. n/t |
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Freddie Stubbs (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
32. Everyone like the concept of Democracy until the majority takes a position they don't like |
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cherokeeprogressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:03 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. Isn't THAT the truth. |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 11:38 AM Response to Original message |
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suston96 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
35. One of the Founding Fathers on direct democracy...... |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 06:27 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Ahh, Gerry. |
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rhett o rick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-12-08 01:04 PM Response to Original message |
38. Good post. Our government needs built in methods of slowing down knee-jerk |
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