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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 01:52 PM
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Poll question: Do you support Affirmative Action?
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 01:58 PM by PelosiFan
Modified to just reflect choices pro and con for straight and gay, as there are too many other choices to fit in the allowed number.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 01:55 PM
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1. kick with obligatory whine.
I am heterosexual, light skin but mixed ethnicity. And I support Affirmative Action. End of whine.
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 01:56 PM
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2. I know, not enough choices. Modified...
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 01:58 PM by PelosiFan
to just reflect gay and straight choices.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 01:59 PM
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3. Another whine. I HATE the word straight. Or would it be rant?
It gets difficult, picking what choices. You are doing fine, skin pigment is important with Affirmative Action. Hope about "obligatory other"?
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:00 PM
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4. If I put an "Other" it would skew the results. I really just want to know
the differences between gay and straight support of AA.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:03 PM
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5. Got it. That is a good poll, narrowing down what you are polling for.
so, another kick to keep it up for people to see.
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Lilyeye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:42 PM
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18. I support AA. However....
Edited on Fri Nov-14-08 03:43 PM by Lilyeye
It is always used as an excused to discredit minorities by certain people. It also annoys me that some think AA only benefits black people. BTW didn't Nebraska just vote against AA recently?
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-15-08 07:10 PM
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20. What do you mean?It is always used as an excused to discredit minorities by certain people."
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:04 PM
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6. Can people leave their reasons for supporting/not supporting this?
The wording was a bit tricky, but in this regard, affirmative action is relating to marriage equality I think? If thats the case I support this. If it is for quotas set on colleges and jobs to hire more AA or hispanic workers over more qualified white applicants, I am not for it. I want to see less afirmative action programs for racial categories, but instead put those in socioeconomic categories. Inner city schools with failing grades are not giving our children the education they deserve and it needs to be corrected.
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uppityperson Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:11 PM
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7. It is good to leave your reasoning. It also kicks the poll back up
so maybe more people will contribute.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:19 PM
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9. Dog whistle...
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:26 PM
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16. Agreed. Dog whistle. nt
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:18 PM
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8. Absolutely.
I guess in your case, I would say that you are not for it. Affirmative action has never been about hiring minorities OVER MORE qualified white applicants, it has always been about looking for similarly qualified AA applicants and encouraging them to apply for the jobs that would normally be heavily white, and encouraging employers to seek out these applicants.
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Idealism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:25 PM
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11. I guess the theory I am for would be 'economically depressed action'
instead of affirmative action.

Help those who have little to no means in helping themselves, when the government cuts funding to their schools because they keep receiving low test marks. Its a vicious circle where less and less money goes to those who need it, and the top schools keep receiving more and more.
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 02:20 PM
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10. I am a very strong believer in affirmative action
The myth is that without affirmative action, there is balance in hiring. But that isn't the case and has never been the case. Without affirmative action there is a definite negative action, otherwise known as "last hired, first fired." Affirmative action is an attempt to balance that.
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Karenina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:23 PM
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15. WHITE WOMEN have benefited most.
Spread the wealth! :evilgrin:
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:05 PM
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12. ...
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pollo poco Donating Member (286 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:13 PM
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13. I support it
I think it is still needed, but want to build a different world. Can't do that if you can't get hired. It has been working. There is a much more mixed work force than when it began. We need to include GLBT people, as well as people of all colors, classes, orientations, ages and genders. Any group hit by discriminatory hiring practices. Discrimination hurts our society, and we as a society have the right to intervene for the greater good.

Once the people doing the hiring have become thoroughly diverse, we will have less need. But until that time, we cannot "let the market regulate itself".
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:20 PM
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14. I'm Against It, But Not Strongly.
I personally can understand and agree with many points from both sides of the argument. I do believe there are too many shortcomings in it though and that it does discriminate in its own way (or causes unfairness to others in its own way), but I also know there is still discrimination within hiring at some places and there should be something to counter that.

So overall, I'm not really a supporter of it due to what I consider inherent injustices with it, but I also won't strongly argue against it since there's also a need for some time of intervention as it relates to discriminatory hiring practices. I just think there should be a better way to counter that and that affirmative action as it stands is not the appropriate way.
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Unvanguard Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 03:29 PM
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17. Multiracial bisexual man, strongly supportive of affirmative action.
I'm not sure what sexual orientation has to do with this. Are you responding to the sometimes-heard accusation that (white) LGBTs are unconcerned for black civil rights issues?
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Zuiderelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-14-08 04:14 PM
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19. In part...
I was told that gays do not support AA any more than straights. And my answer is that by virtue of the fact that gays are more often democrats than straights, they DO in fact support AA more than straights. I would expect this poll to be evenly distributed with roughly the same ratio between straights and gays supporting and not supporting it. Which would support my argument that gays overall, being largely democrats, would be inclined to be more supportive of AA than straights overall.

Still not a perfect poll, because I can't actually poll gay and straight republicans here (presumably), but since almost all polls indicate that there is a large majority of democrats versus republicans amongst gays, I think the results should still prove my point (or completely negate it as the case may be, though doubtful) since polls also indicate that a majority of Republicans oppose AA.
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