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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:34 PM Original message |
What exactly is it that makes everybody lose their heads when the topic of labor unions arises? |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
1. 40 years of constant anti-union propaganda will do that n/t |
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alsame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:39 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Yep. I have a relative who is a member of a union and is |
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nichomachus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:58 PM Response to Reply #2 |
37. Same here -- my sister -- union saved her job -- she hates unions |
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malaise (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 08:34 AM Response to Reply #1 |
66. Ditto n/t |
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phantom power (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:39 PM Response to Original message |
3. Here's my take.... |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:42 PM Response to Reply #3 |
7. Agreed. |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:49 PM Response to Reply #7 |
11. There already is strong support for unions |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:06 PM Response to Reply #3 |
85. Exactly why we failed to organize IT workers in the 90s. Almost without exception |
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mrreowwr_kittty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:40 PM Response to Original message |
4. Decades of propaganda by business interests and a biased media |
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av8rdave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
5. Unions are one of the best examples of the right's success in using labels to defame |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 04:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
44. union breaks |
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lob1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
6. Without unions, there would be no middle class. |
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reggie the dog (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 04:42 PM Response to Reply #6 |
45. EXACTLY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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gravity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:45 PM Response to Original message |
8. There are legitimate arguments against unions |
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TheFarseer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #8 |
83. you're so right |
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Mojambo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
9. 28 years of Reaganomics and the douchebag rightwing radio that propped it up. n/t |
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ipfilter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
10. It's a divisive issue. |
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Turbineguy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:52 PM Response to Original message |
12. After having been |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:53 PM Response to Reply #12 |
13. Interesting point |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:56 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. ding ding ding!! |
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erinlough (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:27 PM Response to Reply #15 |
51. Add to that Union presence allowed management to hide |
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varelse (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:50 PM Response to Reply #12 |
74. Agreed |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:55 PM Response to Reply #12 |
77. It is not a secret that it was poor management that destroyed our car industry in the UK. |
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guitar man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:54 PM Response to Original message |
14. I run into that all the time |
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NoGOPZone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
16. An economic class with an interest in suppressing unions, a media complicit in spreading |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 02:58 PM Response to Original message |
17. American children before the UMWA became a force... |
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ipfilter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:06 PM Response to Reply #17 |
21. Good pics. |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #21 |
40. Before labor laws and the unionization of the American work force... |
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Bozita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:10 PM Response to Reply #17 |
22. "Harlan County, USA" -- It's MUST SEE stuff for all Americans. |
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HughBeaumont (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 04:21 PM Response to Reply #17 |
41. That photo below is from the 40s. |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:01 PM Response to Original message |
18. Americans love to have their scapegoats |
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Aslanspal (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:04 PM Response to Original message |
19. Because in somebodies past their has been a stinker Local |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:13 PM Response to Reply #19 |
24. Get rid of seniority to any degree and only the bosses kids will "rise to the top" |
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Aslanspal (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:14 PM Response to Reply #24 |
49. Is that all you have??? |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 04:36 AM Response to Reply #49 |
58. "let the 'talented' rise to the top" = codespeak for divide the workers. |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
20. unions are like lawyers. everyone hates them until they need them. |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:12 PM Response to Original message |
23. I think it started in Reagan's time frame. Lots of people thought that Unions ask too much... |
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Hubert Flottz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:10 PM Response to Reply #23 |
48. Nazi Conspiracy & Aggression |
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1776Forever (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 06:40 PM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Thank you for the post - I had read some on this but this is very clear - |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 04:39 AM Response to Reply #23 |
59. Reagan was just the agent of his funders. He did similar things |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
25. My father stopped paying dues and withdrew from his union... |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. There's a reason they call them "scabs"... |
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newtothegame (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:31 PM Response to Reply #26 |
29. We wouldn't approve of that behavior when we disagree with someone's politics... |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:32 PM Response to Reply #26 |
30. No They Don't. It Is UNACCEPTABLE How They Are Harrassed. |
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slackmaster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:26 PM Response to Original message |
27. I have to plead profound ignorance on the subject |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:31 PM Response to Original message |
28. I Can't Totally Disagree With You Or Your Friend. Fact Is, The UAW Is Definitely A Part Of All This |
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whathehell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
31. I have a couple of great bumper stickers...Educational, too. |
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madrchsod (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
32. i take it this student forgot econ 101 or |
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depakid (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 04:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
38. What do exchange rates have to do with it? |
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DU GrovelBot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
33. ## PLEASE DONATE TO DEMOCRATIC UNDERGROUND! ## |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
34. Because people have bad experiences with unions. |
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Kokonoe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 04:30 PM Response to Reply #34 |
43. In order survive a lifetime on a menial job. |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 09:27 AM Response to Reply #43 |
68. Everyone needs help- not just the people in menial jobs. |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 08:15 AM Response to Reply #34 |
65. In a non-union shop it will only be the bosses kids and their friends who get the cush jobs |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 09:23 AM Response to Reply #65 |
67. I answered the OP question with my experience |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 09:34 AM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Well let me ask you something then |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:27 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. You aren't even 1% capable of having a rational |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:03 PM Response to Reply #70 |
82. My normal response would have been to call you a suckass and write you off as a company man |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 02:02 PM Response to Reply #82 |
89. NNNOLHI, in undeterred's original post he made a legitimate point that any worker in any |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 02:08 PM Response to Reply #89 |
90. Another longnecker more worried about "observing" someone else rather than themselves |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 02:13 PM Response to Reply #65 |
91. NNNOLHI, where are you getting this information? Is it from personal experience or are you |
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GrantDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:39 PM Response to Reply #34 |
71. Sounds like you should have joined a union... |
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undeterred (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:41 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. There has never been a union for the fields of work that I have |
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w4rma (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:43 PM Response to Original message |
35. brainwashing / propaganda. (nt) |
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mimitabby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 03:55 PM Response to Original message |
36. union member for almost 30 years |
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madmom (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
39. I think there's a lot of people who need to read up on the history of unions and learn just |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:31 PM Response to Reply #39 |
52. But that's...hard when they would prefer to be spoonfed all of the half-baked propaganda... |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
42. I get the "they FALL ASLEEP ON THE JOB!!11!!" crap. |
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Usrename (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 04:51 PM Response to Original message |
46. Joe six-pack wants to bring back slavery and child labor... |
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mitchum (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:09 PM Response to Original message |
47. I can not believe that I am reading ANTI-UNION BULLSHIT on a Democratic board |
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Aslanspal (303 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:19 PM Response to Reply #47 |
50. It is not so much anti-union but people wanting change in unions |
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rockymountaindem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:29 AM Response to Reply #47 |
55. I hope you're not talking to me |
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Trajan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Nov-14-08 05:39 PM Response to Original message |
53. IF all workers belonged to unions, they could all afford to buy new cars |
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bertman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:57 AM Response to Original message |
56. I was a charter member of a transit workers union in '74. The first thing the union officers |
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Hannah Bell (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 04:57 AM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Some truth to the mob-affiliation charge, for some unions. Long history there, & some of |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 06:36 AM Response to Reply #56 |
61. How do unions promote productivity? Here is an example of union mentality in moving 3 file cabinets |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:22 PM Response to Reply #61 |
87. Who scheduled that job to be done the union or management? |
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McCamy Taylor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 03:57 AM Response to Original message |
57. The bosses pit different sectors of the working classes against each other. |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 06:39 AM Response to Reply #57 |
62. I LOVE your posts, McCamy Taylor. They resonate soundly with me! |
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1Hippiechick (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 06:39 AM Response to Reply #57 |
63. Keyboard hiccup. Double post. |
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tom_paine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 06:50 AM Response to Original message |
64. I think not only is it the anti-Union propaganda, but the Mafia's early influences on the Unions |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:49 PM Response to Original message |
73. It's the normal right-wing tack. Strikers asking for a fair wage are striking at the |
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GrantDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:51 PM Response to Original message |
75. Say what you want.. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:54 PM Response to Original message |
76. Labor Unions are such a complex issue |
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Joe Chi Minh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:58 PM Response to Reply #76 |
79. But there is one bottom line. Without them, destitution beckons. |
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Taverner (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:11 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. Exactly - and not just that |
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ourbluenation (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:57 PM Response to Original message |
78. fyi - there is a union avatar here at DU. |
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Waiting For Everyman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 12:59 PM Response to Original message |
80. What about the bloated and overpaid middle to upper management level? |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:03 PM Response to Original message |
81. Every American under the age of about 45 has been brainwashed their entire conscious life |
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yardwork (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:05 PM Response to Original message |
84. I'm hearing everywhere that the labor unions are to blame for GM's problems. |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-15-08 01:37 PM Response to Original message |
88. Cheers to Unca Ronnie Reagan for that . . . |
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