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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:22 AM Original message |
Press Release: Rancho Cucamonga demands removal of Atheist billboard |
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Ian David (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
1. The fundies can go suck it. n/t |
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Auggie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:23 AM Response to Original message |
2. They could replace it with "Imagine No Free Speech." |
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me b zola (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:37 AM Response to Reply #2 |
10. +1 |
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theoldman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:40 AM Response to Reply #2 |
11. A very good idea. |
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cobalt1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:25 AM Response to Original message |
3. Then they need to ban all religious billboards too. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:27 AM Response to Reply #3 |
4. I don't think they can ban religious or non religious billboards. Either way it's a violation |
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mnhtnbb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
5. Imagine no hypocrites |
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theoldman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:41 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. That would reduce the world's population by at least 90%. |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:29 AM Response to Original message |
6. Is there a threat in the term "imagine" |
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snappyturtle (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:32 AM Response to Original message |
7. How can this sign have been any more irritating to it's opponents than |
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RedLetterRev (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
91. Like that one on US29 southbound outside Greensboro |
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Hepburn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:36 AM Response to Original message |
8. Imagine no City Leaders! |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 12:02 AM Response to Reply #8 |
72. Down with all hierarchies ... |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:37 AM Response to Original message |
9. Kind of curious to note that residents of the city of Rancho Cucamonga |
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druidity33 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:42 AM Response to Original message |
13. i just can't help thinking of |
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11 Bravo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:01 AM Response to Original message |
14. As president of the Anaheim, Asuza, and Cucamonga Sewing Circle, Book Review and Timing Association |
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barbtries (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:36 AM Response to Original message |
15. okay |
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Hissyspit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:59 AM Response to Reply #15 |
17. I like the billboards that claim to speak for God. |
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MindPilot (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 11:56 AM Response to Original message |
16. Make your opinion heard... |
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Lyric (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 12:21 PM Response to Reply #16 |
18. I sent them a message: |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:01 PM Response to Reply #18 |
86. Got a reply ......... |
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GReedDiamond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:50 PM Response to Reply #86 |
93. I received the same reply... |
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grimpeur (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 11:17 PM Response to Reply #86 |
99. Whoever suggested that they "directed" that the billboard be removed? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 12:11 AM Response to Reply #16 |
73. Done PLUS contribution ... |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 01:14 PM Response to Original message |
19. My Only Question Is Why Are They Marketing To Begin With? |
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Paulie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 01:29 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. They are a non-profit who work for the protection of church/state separation |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 01:37 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. But The Billboard Didn't Have A Message Of 'You Are Not Alone'. |
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Ezlivin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 01:49 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Fuck that "benign uplifting message" bullshit |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #23 |
24. Not The Point. |
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Ezlivin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 05:00 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. The point of the billboard was an exercise in free speech |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:22 PM Response to Reply #26 |
36. Well, Based On Your Explanation, I'm Glad It Was Removed. |
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GReedDiamond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 09:34 PM Response to Reply #36 |
48. Cannot be "legally...overturned"? |
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JimboBillyBubbaBob (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:26 AM Response to Reply #48 |
54. Imagine |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:19 PM Response to Reply #48 |
89. Funny, that's not what people felt when the Obsession DVD was mailed out. |
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GReedDiamond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 02:01 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. Are you referring to the post from defendandprotect? |
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Gwendolyn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 02:14 PM Response to Reply #94 |
95. I was, yes. I made the comment about the Obsession DVD just to throw out the point |
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grimpeur (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 11:10 PM Response to Reply #36 |
68. Imagine a "pro-religion billboard that's provocative against atheists." |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 02:19 AM Response to Reply #36 |
79. So you support the removal of 1st Amendment rights when the message bothers you. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:12 PM Response to Reply #36 |
88. This was political intimidation by the town ... |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 05:09 PM Response to Reply #24 |
29. So now you are the judge of what is "Needlessly Provocative"? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. It's My Place To Cast An Opinion On It, Absolutely. |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 09:23 PM Response to Reply #37 |
47. >>If a religious group put up a giant billboard stating "imagine no atheists", |
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GReedDiamond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 10:54 PM Response to Reply #37 |
51. You really have no clue, do you? |
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muriel_volestrangler (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 06:16 AM Response to Reply #37 |
85. You may not have needed provoking, but that doesn't mean others didn't |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:20 PM Response to Reply #37 |
90. The largest "billboard" of provocative hatred is the Bible -- |
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walldude (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 02:40 PM Response to Reply #37 |
98. Nope... I see that kind of shit on a daily basis. |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Nov-26-08 09:16 PM Response to Reply #98 |
100. Ain't that the truth? nt |
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rasputin5 (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 07:19 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. If "Imagine no religion" provokes some people, it's begun to do its job. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:26 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Sometimes Yes, Sometimes No. In This Case, No. |
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EvolveOrConvolve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 11:44 PM Response to Reply #33 |
69. It's useless to debate OMC |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 02:21 AM Response to Reply #69 |
80. Remember "Thank God It Passed!"? |
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EvolveOrConvolve (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 08:10 PM Response to Reply #80 |
84. Oh crap, I'd forgotten about that |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:31 PM Response to Reply #24 |
42. >>My question was what the intent of the billboard was, other than to be provocative. |
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Canuckistanian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 09:59 PM Response to Reply #24 |
50. Always the contrarian, aren't you? |
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Zomby Woof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 12:25 AM Response to Reply #50 |
78. Fuck it |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:08 PM Response to Reply #78 |
87. Self Delete |
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anigbrowl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:23 AM Response to Reply #24 |
53. I often like your Devil's advocacy, but disagree here |
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Zomby Woof (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 12:19 AM Response to Reply #24 |
77. You are the master of "needlessly provocative" |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #24 |
96. Sig changed to "needlessly provocative" in your honour...nt |
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MH1 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 03:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Actually, I can see how "imagine no religion" WOULD be uplifting |
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appal_jack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 11:03 AM Response to Reply #22 |
57. The nice thing about Free Speech... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:12 PM Response to Reply #22 |
63. I don't know of a clause in the first amendment that limits protected speech to that |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 07:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
34. I'll tell you why: Because there is a full scale assault on science and reason by *some* religious |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:29 PM Response to Reply #34 |
39. You're Talking About Fringes. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 09:50 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. I have seen that reaction here countless times. |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 02:22 AM Response to Reply #49 |
81. I can back you up on that one. |
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JimboBillyBubbaBob (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:32 AM Response to Reply #39 |
55. What?? |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:36 PM Response to Reply #19 |
44. >>atheists don't have beliefs etc and nothing really to market. |
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ima_sinnic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 11:14 AM Response to Reply #19 |
58. They are publicizing their organization and website |
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grimpeur (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 02:58 PM Response to Reply #19 |
61. Provocative is good |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 12:15 AM Response to Reply #19 |
74. Given the destructive nature of patriarchal religions another way .... |
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Truth Teller (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
21. Hard to imagine it withstanding a legal challenge |
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grimpeur (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:08 PM Response to Reply #21 |
62. What legal challenge? |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 12:17 AM Response to Reply #62 |
75. An ideal penalty would be PERMANENT placement of the billboard ... |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
27. If the group has enough $$$, I can quite easily see this going to the Supremes. |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 10:53 AM Response to Reply #27 |
56. Well, they get some of *mine* every year.... ;-> nt |
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OmmmSweetOmmm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:39 PM Response to Reply #56 |
60. Cool! |
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Pastiche423 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 05:07 PM Response to Original message |
28. Beautiful sign... |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 02:35 PM Response to Reply #28 |
97. It certainly is... |
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codjh9 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 05:13 PM Response to Original message |
30. Uh YEAH, what happened to 'Freedom of Speech' and 'Freedom of Religion'??? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:30 PM Response to Reply #30 |
40. This Has Nothing To Do With Either. |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:42 PM Response to Reply #40 |
45. Yeah, that's why they call it the "Freedom *from* Religion Foundation" How very Constitutional. nt |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 11:33 AM Response to Reply #40 |
59. To the contrary: Freedom from religion is maintained as essential to freedom of religion, and |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 12:19 AM Response to Reply #40 |
76. You have a right to "NO RELIGION" .... |
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PatGund (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 05:53 PM Response to Original message |
31. Ah Yes..... |
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Richard Steele (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 07:11 PM Response to Original message |
32. GRRecommended |
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anonymous171 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 07:24 PM Response to Original message |
35. On what grounds was it removed? |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:31 PM Response to Reply #35 |
41. There Were Many Complaints Filed So The Town Asked The Sign Company If There Was A Way To Remove It. |
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Fumesucker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:35 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Generally there is a contract involved with such a sign... |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Nov-22-08 08:45 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Yeah, and the citizens of CA (maybe) voted "yes" on Prop 8 as well |
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grimpeur (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 03:18 PM Response to Reply #41 |
64. The city was wrong |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 09:46 PM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Hey, grimpeur! |
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grimpeur (6 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 10:44 PM Response to Reply #65 |
66. French for "climber." |
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tbyg52 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 10:51 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Onward and upward! nt |
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Quantess (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 01:03 AM Response to Original message |
52. I think I saw that billboard in Seattle. |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Nov-23-08 11:54 PM Response to Original message |
70. We need to make strong response to this ... |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 12:00 AM Response to Original message |
71. "Imagine no religion" ... |
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Vektor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 02:41 AM Response to Original message |
82. It's shocking how easily threatened these people are. |
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Tripper11 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-24-08 02:49 AM Response to Original message |
83. WKRP had an episode attempting to ban Imagine(the song) |
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defendandprotect (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-25-08 01:26 PM Response to Reply #83 |
92. They tried that again after 9/11 -- |
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