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RedEarth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 09:27 PM
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"YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW BAD IT IS HERE"....Justice Dept. official
Edited on Mon Mar-19-07 09:35 PM by RedEarth
Washington Monthly
Kevin Drum



YOU HAVE NO IDEA HOW BAD IT IS HERE"....Via Balloon Juice, Chitra Ragavan at U.S. News & World Report passes along the following update on Purgegate:

"You have no idea," said one Justice official, "how bad it is here."

The fear that virtually any piece of communication will have to be turned over has paralyzed department officials' ability to communicate effectively and respond in unison to the crisis, as has the fact that senior Justice officials themselves say they still don't know the entire story about what happened that led to the crisis. So they are afraid that anything they put down on paper could be viewed as lies or obfuscation, when in fact, the story is changing daily as new documents are found and as the Office of Legal Counsel conducts its own internal probe into the matter.

Golly. I wonder why they think that anything they put down on paper could be viewed as lies or obfuscation? That's a real poser. And then there's this about the problem Bush would face if Alberto Gonzales leaves the Justice Department:

Who could Bush find that could get Senate confirmation, since Democrats now run the show? It would have to be a seasoned insider, a consummate veteran or an elder statesman who has bipartisan respect and acceptance and a squeaky-clean record.

"The trouble," says one former official, "is that no one comes to mind."

Elliot Richardson died a few years ago, so yeah, I can see their problem.

UPDATE: By the way, I'll be very surprised if there's anything close to a smoking gun in the 2000-page document dump still being promised for tonight. Even among the nitwits routinely hired by the Bush administration, I can't believe that any of them would be stupid enough to put in writing a suggestion that a U.S. Attorney be fired because their investigations were insufficiently partisan.

Then again, with this crew you never know. Stay tuned.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2007_03/010957.php

.......from USNews&World.......
Paralysis Sets In as DOJ Faces Crisis
March 19, 2007 | 6:21 PM ET | Permanent Link
More from chief legal affairs correspondent Chitra Ragavan:

The Justice Department is expected to release more than 400 pages of E-mails and documents by close of business today to comply with a demand from Democrats in Congress over the growing crisis regarding the firing of eight U.S. attorneys last year. The crisis has engulfed the department and threatens to cut short Attorney General Alberto Gonzales's tenure.

Update: The Justice Department now says the document dump will contain closer to 2000 documents.

"You have no idea," said one Justice official, "how bad it is here."

The fear that virtually any piece of communication will have to be turned over has paralyzed department officials' ability to communicate effectively and respond in unison to the crisis, as has the fact that senior Justice officials themselves say they still don't know the entire story about what happened that led to the crisis. So they are afraid that anything they put down on paper could be viewed as lies or obfuscation, when in fact, the story is changing daily as new documents are found and as the Office of Legal Counsel conducts its own internal probe into the matter.

The paralysis will affect the calculations that Gonzales must make this week as to whether he should stay or go. If Gonzales doesn't resign, there's little doubt that he will get few of his initiatives through for the rest of his tenure and that his people will spend months churning out documents at the behest of angry Democrats who will be investigating virtually anything that moves. But this could also give Gonzales an exit strategy, officials say. He could say that while neither he nor his subordinates did anything wrong, he has decided to resign for the greater good of the department and for justice at large.

more.......

http://www.usnews.com/usnews/blogs/news_blog/070319/paralysis_sets_in_as_doj_faces.htm
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 09:29 PM
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1. Are they gouging their own eyeballs out of their heads yet?
No?

When they start doing that, then it has gotten Bad Enough.

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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 09:49 PM
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9. You think they aren't stupid enough????
I can't believe that any of them would be stupid enough to put in writing a suggestion that a U.S. Attorney be fired because their investigations were insufficiently partisan.

Well, the idiot who resigned last week already wrote down that one of the criteria hejudged the USA's on was "Bush loylaty!" That was pretty dumb, don't ya think?
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Tandalayo_Scheisskopf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 10:01 PM
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10. It was beyond dumb.
But I have come to the opinion that a lot of these people just ain't all that smart. Cagey, canny, dangerous, calculating? Yes. Smart? Not so much.

I would love to be the guy working on analyzing the connections outbound from The White House. There is where the real meat 'n taters lie. Look for their clandestine email network, because you just know they got one, to get around the email retention scheme at The White House.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 09:31 PM
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2. Just the chaos the neocons want to continue their lawlessness
...impeach AG Alberto and get Bush and Cheney out ASAP!
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razors edge Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 09:34 PM
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3. It seems a given
that paralysis of the legal system would be a major focus.

Congress was already castrated and posed no threat.
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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 09:35 PM
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4. Good -- they have no idea how bad it is OUT HERE!
Edited on Mon Mar-19-07 09:38 PM by bleever

They're just playing catch-up in this post-habeas corpus, Yoo-nitary executive world.

(I know there are really good career people in the Justice Department, but I have no pity for people playing CYA for the PNAC POTUS.)
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pocoloco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 09:36 PM
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5. Not close to even yet!
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frogcycle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 09:38 PM
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6. And as KO commented tonight
Edited on Mon Mar-19-07 09:38 PM by frogcycle
"Who could Bush find that could get Senate confirmation, since Democrats now run the show? It would have to be a seasoned insider, a consummate veteran or an elder statesman who has bipartisan respect and acceptance and a squeaky-clean record.

"The trouble," says one former official, "is that no one comes to mind.""


That would be the one person in the country WITH THE POWER TO PROSECUTE BUSH!

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bleever Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 09:39 PM
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7. How about Ramsey Clark?
:7
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 09:41 PM
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8. Bush would never have the guts to nominate Ramsey Clark but I'd love it.
Ramsey Clark is tops.
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Manifestor_of_Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 03:00 AM
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19. Clark drafted Articles of Impeachment a LONG time ago....
Ramsey Clark ROCKS!!
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saltpoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 01:38 PM
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21. Ramsey Clark does rock. No question about it. There's a titanium
fearlessness to him.
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populistdriven Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 12:45 AM
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15. Fitzgerald?
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EVDebs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 10:16 PM
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11. You'll find a memo/email have no fear...
"UPDATE: By the way, I'll be very surprised if there's anything close to a smoking gun in the 2000-page document dump still being promised for tonight. Even among the nitwits routinely hired by the Bush administration, I can't believe that any of them would be stupid enough to put in writing a suggestion that a U.S. Attorney be fired because their investigations were insufficiently partisan."

Are you kidding me ? The Federalist Society bozos .... their agenda, fascism.
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opihimoimoi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 10:21 PM
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12. One can only imagine what goes on in the White House Basement
Them poor spinners down there must be gauging their eyeballs out by now...Bushies guys are black and blue from all them hits they been taking
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halobeam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 10:22 PM
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13. Now THAT'S a visual I can appreciate! HA!
:rofl:
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bunny planet Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-19-07 10:53 PM
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14. Has there been any oversight to make sure they didn't spend the weekend
shredding documents? Pretty suspicious that they promised the document dump Friday afternoon and didn't actually do it until late today. After all, Abu G is the one that had a twelve hour head start on the documents needed in the CIA leak investigation. Hmmmm.
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 01:57 AM
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16. It's not about "stupidity" it's about LYING...
it takes a lot - A LOT - of energy and effort to HIDE and LIE - it takes NO EFFORT to tell the truth...

There WILL be "mistakes" in their web of lies that WILL UNRAVEL...

It's really a simple concept...

Count on it...
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Decruiter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 02:22 AM
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17. Can anyone say "MELTDOWN"? I love it! Far too long in coming,
but well deserved for all that have worked so long and so hard.

Meltdown is good.

Vindication is better.

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Decruiter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 02:38 AM
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18. I forgot to say "oh, yes we certainly do know how bad it is",..........
Edited on Tue Mar-20-07 02:40 AM by Decruiter
Maybe we should all start to sing "just call, you've got a friend, I'll always be there......"

Step over into the light, you have friends.
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Tsiyu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 07:29 AM
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20. Poor babies


What a tangled web we weave........
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Cerridwen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 01:41 PM
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22. If you lie, you have to keep track of your lies. If you tell the truth
it gets much easier. Perhaps they should err on the side of truth? If what you're doing can't stand the light of day, maybe what you're doing shouldn't be done. How difficult is that to understand?

No sympathy here.

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blogslut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-21-07 01:46 PM
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23. There already is a smoking gun in the doc dump
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