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Grebrook Donating Member (479 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 12:39 PM
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Time Poll: Barack Obama beats Guiliani and McCain; Hillary loses to Guiliani
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

Obama: 44%
Guiliani: 43%

Obama: 44%
McCain: 41%

Clinton: 43%
Guiliani: 47%

Clinton: 44%
McCain: 43%


Obama/Edwards 2008! Both will give Fox News a swift media ass kicking. They smeared Obama and Edwards has already severed connections. That will be an important part of the campaign: standing up to the right-wing media whores.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 12:42 PM
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1. horse race polls this early out are meaningless. I hated it in '04 when
I was supporting Dean and Kerry supporters would post polls showing Kerry running a couple of points better against Bush than Dean was as "proof" of his "electability". I support Obama and think he will be a tremendous candidate in a general election, but these early polls don't really mean a lot.
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Crankie Avalon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 12:42 PM
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2. Well, every race is a virtual deadheat within the margin of error, it looks like.
Hard to believe creeps like McCain and Giuliani can still be considered such viable candidates wth their track records.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 12:42 PM
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3. Anointing Hillary is a great mistake- in a national election Guiliani will win
Edited on Tue Mar-20-07 12:43 PM by npincus
That Saint of 9-11 shit really goes over-- and wingnuts will hold their noses and vote for him, as will some moderate Dems... he'll run a campaign of fear and terror and FUX and the RW media will be calling terra alerts every other day.

If Guiliani gets the nomination, we're f*cked.

My opinion- sorry if it offends.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 12:45 PM
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5. He is the Repuke I fear the most because of his pull with indies and even some democrats
I know at least two democrats--people who hate Bush--who say if Rudy is nominated they would consider voting for him--especially if it's Hillary as the Dem nominee.
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npincus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 12:52 PM
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11. you've got that RIGHT
Other than some socially liberal views, he is a FASCIST in the mold of B*sh, except he is a lot smarter. Forget about repairing ties with the rest of the world; Guiliani will decide whom he feels we should speak to and when. He really doesn't give a shit about the average ("little") guy.

Guiliani would wipe the floor with Hillary, and I think Dems ought to think long and hard about that because it looks like he is going to get the nomination.
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L A Woman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 02:18 PM
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19. HUH?
But...wingnuts also dislike his pro-choice stance, his pro gay rights stance, and the fact that he told his wife he was leaving her on national TV.

He's hardly a lock.

And he's said about a half a million stupid things the Democrats could pounce on, such as telling Tim Russert the night before the '04 election that Osama bin Laden wanted John Kerry to win.

But who am I kidding? Democrats never pounce on anything.
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ginnyinWI Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 12:44 PM
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4. d'you think Edwards would take a veep slot again. though?
I'd prefer Edwards/Obama. Obama is a great guy, but I think it's a bit early for him to be president. Being vice-president would give him needed experience.

I'd really prefer Kerry, but I won't get that option-- this time anyway.
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dysfunctional press Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 12:46 PM
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6. too bad the elections are almost 18 months away...
obama has the momentum NOW...

:eyes:
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 12:48 PM
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7. These percentages won't hold. A year from now it'll look way different.

nt
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 12:50 PM
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10. Yeah, it will be worse.
:(
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Lex Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 12:59 PM
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12. It could be better too.
:)
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 12:49 PM
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8. Dame Rudy and Weathervane McCain are tough to beat. HRC doesn't poll well
Edited on Tue Mar-20-07 12:49 PM by skipos
in general election matchups considering how high her name recognition is.

I find this poll to be completely unsurprising.

I am hoping for a Romney or Gingrich nomination, as MSM will never tarnish the hero status of Rudy and McCain.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 01:10 PM
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14. HRC gets more votes than poll numbers. nt
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Deep13 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 12:50 PM
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9. Those answering the poll, what states were they in?
Edited on Tue Mar-20-07 12:51 PM by Deep13
If candidate X gets a bare majority in CA, FL, NY and a couple of medium size states, it doesn't matter that candidate Y wins unanimously everywhere else.

In my judgement, these close numbers are a reason not to go with any of our rock star candidates. Slightly ahead is not good enough. The Rs have a built-in advantage with all those red, square states with small populations. We need a concensus candidate who will not be polarizing. Someone who will help enlarge our majority in Congress and who will get every vote except for the 28% hard core Rs.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 01:11 PM
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15. I don't think any of our candidates are doing all that well against the top GOP candidates
at this early stage which given the world situation and Bush's popularity is a shame. I've seen polls where Edwards and yes, even Gore don't run any better, and in some cases worse than Clinton and Obama against Rudy and McCain.
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 01:14 PM
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17. Yup. MSM says Dame Rudy and Weathervane McCain are "heros"
and I doubt they will change their tune anytime soon.

We should be hoping for Newt or Romney to win. They are beatable.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 01:09 PM
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13. People think they know Guiliani. They don't. HRC's #s will climb against him. nt
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skipos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 01:13 PM
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16. So you are counting on MSM to tarnish the image of the "hero of 9-11"
and/or you are counting on American voters to dig deeper than what MSM feeds them. You are more optimistic than I.

I have seen no evidence that HRC will be able to defeat Dame Rudy. He has been polling ahead of her in blue states PA and NJ. Very ominous.
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-20-07 01:46 PM
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18. Well, yes. Like McCain, the more you see him, the less you like him.
My firm was polling in NYS during 2000 and she would have been him because they know him and would have rather voted for a carpetbagger than that creep.
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