Vatican attacked for opposing gay decriminalisation

Source: Reuters

<snip>"If adopted, they would create new and implacable discriminations," Migliore said. "For example, states which do not recognise same-sex unions as 'matrimony' will be pilloried and made an object of pressure," Migliore said.

A strongly worded editorial in Italy's mainstream La Stampa newspaper said the Vatican's reasoning was "grotesque."

Pointing out that homosexuality was still punishable by death in some Islamic countries, the editorial said what the Vatican really feared was a "chain reaction in favour of legally recognised homosexual unions in countries, like Italy, where there is currently no legislation. </snip>

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It looks like the "culture of life" that the RCC espouses includes letting gays be killed legally killed rather than opening a door to legal gay unions.

Yeah, right.

It always ends in hating the sinner for having sinned.

Always.

The Catholic Church is morally bankrupt.

Being gay ISN'T a sin. Having gay sex is a sin. The late JP II -- whom I had a MAJOR problem with -- even decried discrimination and targeting of gays. Pope Rat and his boys are making a major shift in the Vatican's stance on being gay. And, if they start purging gay priests like they keep saying, there will be about 15% of priests left.

Maby it wouldn't be so messed up if they would accept women as priest. These "clubs for men only" have been on way too long.

A "secret" is that there are already a decent amount of married priests and deacons.

One reason I'm now an Episcopalian!

the He Man Women Haters Club that is the RCC male priesthood.

gay. And, at the same time, the church had been accused of homophobia. So, the Church shifted away from putting the emphasis on gayness and went to condemning all sex outside marriage. However, when legalizing gay marriage became an issue, the Church again showed its true colors on the issue. As far as purging gay priests, that is part of the Church's desire to to claim that most of the pedophile priests were gay, not pedophiles. After all, covering up for homosexual priests is not reprehensible, like covering up for pedophiles.

Just one disgrace after another.

really.

He seems one very twisted old man.

In any parish (music, social justice etc...). They fight tooth and nail on the local level for the right to discriminate based on religion. If the Archdiocese or diocese hears of a parish with openly gay active members they usually pressure the parish to stop.

I am surprised adoption was also not brought up as an reason as most Catholic Charity adoptions have been stopped because they have to help couples regardless of gender if they want federal adoption money. Sad but true.

Please keep your fucking hands out of my pants.

Dear Catholic Church supporters: you can't balance evil deeds with good deeds. Most rational people evaluate the willingness to overlook continuing evil in favor of continuing good as ultimately evil.

Your confusion of philosophy with parlor tricks is childish, and your church is antiquated, dangerous to progress, and ultimately evil.

By "please keep . . ." I meant, or I will hand them back to you, nicely packaged and with a bow on top.

:toast:

Pope Benedict on more than one occasion has referred to homosexuality as an "intrinsic evil" which was the point I realized that the real "intrinsic evil" is the Catholic Church.

I have come to the conclusion that only the ignorant and superstitious, and the poor who are promised a better life in Heaven if they keep dropping their last $10 in the basket during mass, have remained in the Catholic Church and that all of them are suffering from some sort of mental disorder. Of course at this point I am beginning to come to the same conclusion about everyone who "devoutly" follows religious dogma in their daily life since the dogma is not divine so to speak but merely the dogma of crazy old men wearing silly hats including the Dalai Lama who lost me when he decided "gay bashing" was acceptable for Buddhists. I have to wonder how many Buddhist priests are pedophiles. Homophobia on the part of homosexuals is a very effective diversion from the public mirror.

Pope Benedict is merely George W Bush with a silly hat.

I'm sick of these people. It's time they were scattered to the wind.

Oh, well then. In many islamic countries, women can be stoned to death for adultery. Maybe the western nations out to revisit their thinking on this, too :sarcasm:

Niiiiiiiiiice.

gays being decimalised. What would be the point ?

That "reverse discrimination" is the newest talking point of playing a major victim card. That is the worldwide talking point to make the Church the victim against the 'intrinsic evil homosexuals' and it also throws personal responsibility towards your own relationship out the window as you are so freaked out about your neighbors or worse someone you do not even know can do to you. It is fear mongering of the worst kind.

Look at Peter Akinola (Anglican Church, Nigeria) and where that's played out there - the result is literally torture and murder.

And yet... to these old, frightened, men, that's better than the terrifying thought of gays and lesbians simply being treated as people.

and lied to their parishes about what was going on... the catholic church is legal even tho they have been responsible, historically, for the murder of Jews, the torture of their fellow believers...

if we can tolerate the catholic church, we should certainly be able to support laws that call for human rights for homosexuals.

I guess if they were *UNBORN* homosexuals, the church would be all behind it.

I wonder if they only oppose protecting gay adults, or do they feel ok with countries who execute children too? I know the answer to that.

Bigotry and homophobia DESERVE public scorn and ridicule, especially when it's predicated on mythological nonsense!

Religion using a group of people as scapegoats for hate? No way!


:sarcasm:

exactly what the Vatican refused to sign onto

And since current Vatican thinking runs strongly against the death penalty, the claim (that the Vatican supports executing gays for homosexuality) is implausible

Quite a few countries aren't supporting the text (though they probably should): last I looked, Canada hadn't signed on, and the US is unlikely to sign on

The French are apparently circulating a nonbinding resolution, which has no force

The Vatican, of course, has only "observer" status at the UN, which means it has very limited influence

Vatican positions are extremely unlikely to sway minds in those countries that execute folk for homosexuality, since those countries are typically controlled conservative Islamic regimes which outlaw Christian proselytization anyway

Conclusion: targeting the Vatican here is largely an exercise in anti-Catholic prejudice; there's lots of reason to be unhappy with the Vatican, but the suggestion that the Church is to blame (say) for the execution of gays in Iran is just nonsense