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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:30 AM
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Specter Picks A Fight Over Holder
http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2008_12/016012.php

SPECTER PICKS A FIGHT OVER HOLDER.... Josh Marshall noted last night that Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.) "never stops breaking new ground in the contest of political opportunism poseurish chest-thumping."

Ain't that the truth.

Sen. Arlen Specter (R-Pa.), the ranking member of the Judiciary Committee, wants to slow down the process of confirming Eric Holder attorney general, citing lingering concerns about the nominee's role in the 2001 pardon of Marc Rich.

Specter said his concerns do not suggest he would oppose Holder, but said starting the hearings before Jan. 26 is "not realistic or fair."

Earlier this week Judiciary Committee Chairman Patrick Leahy (D-Vt.) set a Jan. 8 confirmation hearing date for Holder and said he would like the nominee confirmed by the time President-elect Obama takes office on Jan. 20.

"There are questions which have to be inquired," Specter, a former Philadelphia district attorney, said.


Specter can ask his questions. He can (and has) met with Holder privately; he can (and has) requested information and documentation well in advance of the hearings; and he can (and will) pester Holder with as many inconvenient questions as possible during the hearings themselves.

But Specter seems to want a delay just for the sake of grandstanding. Based on the schedule Leahy has in mind, Specter has a month to get the information he feels he needs, and then two weeks to badger Holder. Why wait until Jan. 26 for hearings? Because Specter wants to drag this out for maximum partisan exploitation? Because he wants to re-litigate an eight-year-old controversy to score some cheap points in preparation for a Republican primary in Pennsylvania? Please.

To his credit, Leady seems more annoyed than persuaded by Specter's whining. Indeed, in a "Dear Arlen" letter yesterday, the Judiciary Committee chairman noted Specter began reviewing Holder's record weeks ago, and didn't have concerns about the calendar at the time. Leahy also reminded Specter of recent history on Attorney General confirmation hearings, and why the committee schedule is entirely reasonable.

Stay tuned.
—Steve Benen

Leahy's response here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=4626727&mesg_id=4626727
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:32 AM
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1. The Rich pardon was payback to the ousted PM of Israel - Barak.
Who was voted out because of going along with the peace initiative of the Summer of '00.
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MineralMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 10:46 AM
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2. There is English that has to be spoke...
""There are questions which have to be inquired," Specter, a former Philadelphia district attorney, said."
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 11:02 AM
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3. Holder is an ass
who defended death squads and thinks "Reefer Madness" was true. Sorry to burst your bubble but not every pick Obama makes is a guarnteed Golden Boy. You sound as defensive about him being asked questions as KKKarl Rove is answering a subpeona. Why do you want to keep Holder in a bubble to protect him? What problem does it present to you to have all the information available? What exactly are you afraid of?
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 11:07 AM
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5. And you're an ass for assuming I wrote this. Did you see the link?
Edited on Thu Dec-11-08 11:09 AM by babylonsister
Go ahead and support Specter trying to throw a wrench in the confirmation hearings. I won't ever be agreeing with you.

And fyi, your dislike of Holder means absolutely nothing.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/19/holder-justice-issues/

Eric Holder: A Rebuke Of Bush-League Justice»


The New York Times reports today that President-elect Barack Obama’s transition team “signaled to Eric H. Holder Jr., a senior official in the Justice Department in the Clinton administration, that he will be chosen as attorney general.” While the Obama transition team denied that Holder has been selected, many progressives see Holder as a strong rebuke of the Bush Justice Department.

Glenn Greenwald — a consistent and vocal critic of the Bush Justice Department — writes that Holder’s views seem “rather unconstrained for Washington, suggestive of actual passion and conviction on these matters.” Digby writes similarly, “If {Holder} follows through…it would be good news.”

ThinkProgress has compiled Holder’s stated views on critical issues confronting the next Attorney General, including the Bush administration’s politicization of the Justice Department and the War on Terror:

On Role Of Attorney General: “The attorney general is the one Cabinet member who’s different from all the rest. The attorney general serves first the people, but also serves the president. There has to be a closeness at the same time there needs to be distance.”

On Torture: “The notion that the Department of Justice would in essence sanction the use of torture as part of the President’s plenary power over military operations is as wrong as it is shortsighted. This position flies in the face of the entire history of American law, helping to create a climate in which unnecessarily abusive conduct can somehow be considered legitimate.”

“We must declare without qualification that it is the law, policy, and practice of the United States government that we do not torture people and we do not subject people to cruel, inhumane, or degrading treatment.”

On Closing Guantanamo: “Guantanamo Bay is an international embarassment. Some of our closest allies see this prison as a symbol of what America has become. We should close Guantanamo Bay, transfer the remaining prisoners to military prisons in the United States.”

On Extraordinary Rendition: “We must end all U.S. government practice and programs, covert or otherwise, that transfer individuals involuntarily to other countries that are known to engage in torture.”

On Indefinite Detentions Of Non-U.S. Citizen Terror Suspects: “It seems to me you can think of these people as combatants and we are in the middle of a war, and it seems to me that you could probably say, looking at precedent, that you are going to detain these people until war is over, if that is ultimately what we wanted to do.”

On Warentless Wiretapping: “I never thought I would see that a President would act in direct defiance of Federal law by authorizing warentless NSA surveillance of American citizens. This disrespect for the rule of law is not only wrong it destructive in our struggle against terrorism.”

On U.S. Attorney Scandal: “‘Internally, there is a morale problem the likes of which I have never seen before,’ Holder said. ‘Externally, there is a crisis of confidence that the nation has with regard to the department.’”

On Politicization Of Justice Department: “Holder said Mukasey ‘has to move swiftly and tangibly in order to restore faith in the integrity of the decision making at Justice. He has to show that he, not political operatives at the White House, is making the calls at Justice.’”

On Scooter Libby Sentencing: “he sentence Libby got, it was a little farther than I would have gone.”
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:04 PM
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8.  you POSTED this
and even bolded portions so i am so very sorry to hold you to the words you put up...
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babylonsister Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:38 PM
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30. How astute of you. Yes, I posted it. I post lots of things to encourage
discussion. Got a problem with that? I have a problem with you and your filthy mouth calling out DUers.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:12 PM
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12. Untrue. And yes, facts mean something. He did not defend death squads
He didn't even defend Chiquita. He represented them in negotiating an agreement with the Justice Dept. That's not just splitting hairs. It's a bif deal. And Holder's career encompasses far more (some good, some not so good) than this one case.
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:16 PM
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15. so what you are saying is...
he minimized the finacial payout to victims of the death squads that Chaquita sent to kill men women and children who simply wanted the same right to collective bargain as we used to have here? Oh yeah, so much better...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:21 PM
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22. I would assume that was his role, but who knows?
And yeah, it's much better. And I know it's a real shocker, but attorneys often represent unsavory people.
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:24 PM
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24. so you admit you have no clue
and yet go on to castigate and shriek at people about something you just admitted you have no fucking clue about? And how is it "better" in any sense? yeah, you really are pathetic.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:27 PM
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26. That usually is the role of counsel in a case like that, but golly,
I wasn't privy to exactly what constituted his representation. That would be privilaged, einstein. And sorry, pumpkin, I'm not the one shrieking or flailing about. That would be you, dear.

As for answering any question from you, after your abusive bullshit, no thanks, I prefer to simply laugh at you. That's all you're good for. But hey, it's something.

:rofl:
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 11:04 AM
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4. Holden is a scumbag... but better then our current AG
change you can see (incrementally)
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Captain Hilts Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 11:51 AM
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7. You know so much about him you get his name wrong. nt
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:06 PM
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9. Deleted sub-thread
Sub-thread removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:09 PM
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11. close enough
Thanks for the typo...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:13 PM
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13. What do you actually know about him? Anything?
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:18 PM
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17. we know he fucked over victims of death squads
(you even admitted as much above) and we know he believes in things as real as faires and the Man in the Moon...
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:39 PM
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31. I admitted nothing of the sort. In fact, I absolutely disagree that he
did so. He represented an unsavory client. Lawyers do that.
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High Plains Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:21 PM
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20. What is your salary with the Obama transition team?
I'll give you this: You are extremely hard-working in letting everyone know that there is nothing--NOTHING--that he had done that can be criticized.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:32 PM
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29. that's blatantly false. I'm a stickler for facts.
I have no problem with rational and factual criticism of Obama. I do it myself. I criticize his Afghanistan policy, for instance.

Mostly, I just hate stupid. And deciding that representing a contemptible client is the sum of Eric Holder, is plain old vanilla stupid.
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LynneSin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 11:07 AM
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6. Oh sure Specter - that Marc Rich thing was so much more important to the US than TORTURE
:grr:
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:08 PM
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10. he may be focusing on Rich, but
a good long look at hhis defense of death squads and desire to keep filling our prisons with non-violent people to create a slave class should be looked into as well.
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:15 PM
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14. Specter will make a lot of noise and cave the way he always does.
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:17 PM
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16. just like Pelosi and Reid and maybe Henry
will write a strongly worded memo to someone...
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EFerrari Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:19 PM
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19. That's right. It must be hard to work a job where your mission is to do
as little as possible. I lasted about six months in one of those and it drove me up a wall.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:19 PM
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18. please stop repeating a blatant lie. I have no idea if you're just
Edited on Thu Dec-11-08 12:19 PM by cali
ignorant or if you're just intend on smearing. Holder never defended death squads. that's blatantly untrue. He represented Chiquita after they were found culpable in employing a death squad (and an organization that the U.S. had on its terrorist list) in negotiating a settlement.

And yes, of course Holder wants to create a slave class. :eyes:
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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:21 PM
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21. try looking at the time stamps asswipe
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:23 PM
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23. temper, temper, dear.
lol. you've lost it. And I'm enjoying your pathetic tantrum. In fact, it amuses me.

:rofl:

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amdezurik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:25 PM
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25. so time stamps are beyond you?
is it the numbers that confuses you or is it honesty?
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:29 PM
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27. lol. you're the one who was nattering on about how someone was
being picky over a mistaken name, and in this very thread! You're such a hypocrite, it's fun to toy with you. Sorry, I don't read every time stamp. And I'll bet that's true of most folks here.
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LSK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-11-08 12:31 PM
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28. Well he can cry bitch and moan, but thats about it
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